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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
 Posted - 07 May 2003 : 23:22:29
I was thinking of how cool of a system that A/UX is. The bad is thing no one maintains it and you can't get legal copies any more. It was discontinued by Apple in 1994 so I don't see that it would present a treat to Apple. Espically because it only runs on limited hardware and wont run on PPC systems. And it could be alot of good PR for Apple. The only problem would be software that if Apple licened parts from other companies and how they would react. i.e SCO. The other option would be to buy the rights to A/UX from them. But I dont see that happening, mostly because I could only pay about 100 dollars. Let me know what you think, I might do some research on who to contact at Apple.Life is like Jeopardy you have all the answers, you just need the questions. |
Fedorenko
Junior Member
Australia
463 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2003 : 00:34:58
let me think, there is a forum called Unix on 68k, wouldnt this be better in it  .It would be good PR for apple, but it aint gonna happen. 
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G4from128k
Full Member
USA
873 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2003 : 05:42:55
Its not A/UX, but NetBSD is an open source Unix on a 68k and many many other platforms. See http://www.macunix.net:443/ and http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/mac68k/ for details on the 68k side.G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist
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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2003 : 06:28:58
Personally, I love the idea!I would love to see A/UX become open source, as it's the only unix that will run on 68k without booting into MacOS... partly because it does boot into macOS but it uses the MacOS to run. It's kind of a 'relationship' I would give an open sourced my full abilities of helping and support. Official 68k videographer
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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2003 : 17:50:57
I agree we have a snowballs chance in hell, but all they can do is say no. I have thought about this some more and I think that there would be a good chance in getting Apple to make it freely avaiable like they did with the older system software. Esp. as A/UX is of about the same vintage. Right now i'm now to sure on which angle to persue. But I do need to find someone to talk to. I think that getting ahold of some involved in the Darwin project would be a good start. As they would most likely share our point of view. Life is like Jeopardy you have all the answers, you just need the questions. |
G4from128k
Full Member
USA
873 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2003 : 17:55:01
How do you plan to convince the companies that licensed stuff to Apple for A/UX to be open source? That seems to be the bigger problem -- A/UX is not all Apple's.G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist
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maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2003 : 18:06:20
It would be great if they did open source it, but i don't think its very likely.  -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5
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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2003 : 18:50:39
One solution would be to have Apple remove the non Apple code when they release it. Then we could put it back in ourselves. True it wont be easy but thats half the fun. But the first step will be to gain the support of some one on the inside. The second step would be to show that there would be support for doing such a thing. The third step would be to show it would be benifical for Apple to do so. Life is like Jeopardy you have all the answers, you just need the questions. |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2003 : 20:05:18
Remove the non-Apple parts!!!!OMFG!!! .ME chops off the /UX from A/UX... EVEN THE SLASH IS GONE THEN!!! Actually I'm not sure.. maybe the slash and a lowercase U are left... but still... I don't even know that much.. maybe all will start going toward our way? I give it all my complete support but don't know what I can do Official 68k videographer
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maclover5
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Australia
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Posted - 09 May 2003 : 20:07:32
But if you remove the non Apple parts, its no longer called A/UX. Its called A.  -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5
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G4from128k
Full Member
USA
873 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2003 : 09:56:22
What about MacMinix? See http://www.pliner.com/MacMinix/ for details and an interesting list of alternative MacNixen.G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist
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Marchie
Chaplain
USA
911 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2003 : 15:55:12
Actually.. the problems is this:A/UX is built of AT&T Unix v2.2 That is THE Unix, that was never any kind of open source, and the catalyst for the existance of FreeBSD. http://www.levenez.com/unix/ A/UX is on pane 4 of the timeline That Unix is still in production. Releasing old code won't happen. ~Marchie ~Chaplain Marchie
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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2003 : 16:32:51
Our problem *MAY* be remedied by including the much more powerful, newer and better BSD and linux cores with whatever new open source A/UX is put out...then, it's even more open source, it's newer and a better cantidate for running as a 'real server' and it just in general works better. In addition, we'd be able to build support for the AV macs and LCs by opensourcing and using another nix... .ME thinks about Quadra 605s and 840avs running A/UX Official 68k videographer
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stonent
Junior Member
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 00:41:31
A/UX includes System V R4 code licensed from SCO / Novell. And especially SCO seems very touchy about their source code seeing that they are considering legal action against IBM for allegedly putting Unix(TM) code in Linux.6360av 32/6.4/8.1 ;)
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Citon X600
Junior Member
Canada
206 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 01:26:16
If you look at my other post in the software forum about the DMCA Loophole, although you can't completely make A/UX opensource you would be able to:Hack it so it supports machines that under normall instances would not run on, since this is a flaw of the design. (Hence outdated/flawed access design. You could reverse engineer the code that allows Mac OS to be run and incorporate it into BSD for the exclusive purpose of supporting certian applications that A/UX users would want to use but cannot due to the sheer age of A/UX and security threats, hence moving to a new UNIX distro. But in iether case you have to be very clear on what you are doing and it would be best to work on it in silence untill you are 100% sure legally that you are in the green. You would need to have some sort of check system that would have a checking mechanism to make sure the patch is used only by users who have so mentioned software included in A/UX. So, it's messy but some things are possible. One things is for sure, you can hack into it if it doesn't work right. :) Great minds...Great minds...Think Different. |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2003 : 22:26:51
Isn't is possible just to integrate MacOS in a way similar to that of A/UX?it'd be cleaner, more legal and more fun I'd think  I wouldn't say anything now... but THAT would be a great idea for Portals Official 68k videographer
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Citon X600
Junior Member
Canada
206 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2003 : 14:30:32
If that is the case, grab the source for Mac 06, it is a POSIX layer for Mac OS, and develop it into extensions and inits for use with Mac OS.Great minds...Great minds...Think Different. |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2003 : 22:52:14
is that even close to the way that A/UX works?Official 68k videographer
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Alien
Junior Member
Netherlands
269 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2003 : 03:45:26
No. A/UX works the other way 'round.,xtG
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maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2003 : 11:25:48
Exactly what i thought."**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers
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Unknown_K
Full Member
USA
602 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2003 : 12:05:21
Even if apple owned 100% of the code why would they release it to the public? So unix nuts would not buy a new OSX machine but go out and get a used Q950 for nothing? Dont forget there would be 100's of wanabe programmers emailing apple asking questions about the code, or even worse some coder calling a lawer because he thinks apple used some of his code. Financially apple has nothing to gain, and a bit to loose. Public goodwill doesnt mean anything to apple.
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maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2003 : 12:28:56
Good point. It really wouldn't be worth it if they used third party code in it. As for the whole email thing, they could just say that they offer no support, but that doesn't help the fact that it might use some third party code."**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers
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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
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Posted - 20 Jun 2003 : 21:44:24
so instead of Open Sourcing A/UX... maybe we could focus on making a system similar in ways to A/UX by making Making OS (any MacOS) work under NetBSD...Maybe if we could create a "Finder-Like" program that runs witht he Mac program APIs.... it'd be an OSXlike system... OSIX Official 68k videographer
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Unknown_K
Full Member
USA
602 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2003 : 02:12:31
Well considering that only apple has the knowledge and sourcecode for their 68k macos and the details of their 68k architecture good luck trying to remake A/UX oir any other unix/macos work.Hell I would be thrilled if people could just program drivers for my PCI Radius videovision card to work with os 9.1, thats just a driver not an OS.
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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2003 : 22:23:21
actually... all we'd need is to figurer out basically what A/UX does (it's layers, which Apple proudly displays everywhere) and then build a sort of "maconlinux" for BSD (both of those are opensource)then we'd need to basically go from there making it all "nice" Official 68k videographer
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Citon X600
Junior Member
Canada
206 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2003 : 23:03:01
There are 2 routes to go here. One is that you could use NetBSD as a base model and start developing Classic Support on it. This might be feasable if you can get your hand on some documentation for Classic and how it works. (The emulators out there would probably a good source of help since they have an understanding how Mac OS code runs, and MOL would have some predefined routines which might help)The other option is to use the Mac 06 source and build an integrated POSIX layer directly into classic so you can run UNIX in realtime within Mac OS. Although you might have an easier time in some sense developing a 68k version of MOL to run on Unix, it might not give you much stability considering that BSD isn't working on all the models and still has some issues. (Including Color X Server etc) Plus if your Mac OS Classic support is anything like MOL, it means people have to switch between enviroments which sucks. So, I would think that you need to take the solid champion here which is Mac OS 7.6 say, it runs solid as a rock on most machines. So you add POSIX so your favorite UNIX app can run. You would write a series of extensions and control panels to control the libaries your unix apps use, including a driver to allow mac os to see unix partitions and mount them, including creating aliases from a unix drive to a folder on hfs. It would require some hacking but you hack some unix code into the finder, so when it runs it's a little more aware of what's goin on and be able to properly handle unix apps. :) So, who wants to help me get started? I have no idea what I'm doing but hey that's how half this nation's people got started and they didn't so so bad. :) Great minds...Great minds...Think Different. |
stonent
Junior Member
USA
155 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2003 : 02:17:14
I'd just be happy if someone for instance had a big 100mb tgz file that we could download that had everything that a 1990's or 2000's unix user would want all in one package.A decent window manager (I'd even take openMotif), gcc, glib, xmms, bash, gtk+, samba, basilisk ;), or even something like Fink for A/UX. What are we running now? X11R4? Get that updated as well. SE 4/2000/FDHD/7.0.1 :)
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