I'd like to submit to you a new website I recently launched called
www.32bitwonder.org. The site is dedicated to persuing the unique usage of old computer equipment. The inspiration behind the site is a rescued garage sale LC III (think m68klma meets lowendmac meets danamania). Enjoy, Contribute!

You might also be interested in:

http://www.machine-room.org/

They have more old computers than you can shake a dongle at, but they go way back into the olden days when Zilog was the Intel of its time.

Good Luck!

G4From128k

The site was developed for and tested on IE 6+ and Netscape/Mozilla 6+. Not because I want to discourage others, it's because It's what I have access to on my PC (WinXP & Linux).

Thanks.

shaktiman

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ironic that a site hosted on a LC III requires current browsers.

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Edited by - Gothikon on 15 Mar 2003 17:37:36

It's strange actually discussing the site in an open forum like this. I've been working in on this project in complete isolation for quite some time. I was hoping for some discussion in a forum such as this and it looks like I've found it! Perhaps some discussion will enable me to focus the site more.

I totally agree with supporting older browsers. The truth of it is I've had so much fun actually toying around with the site architecture that I haven't spent as much time on designing the site itself.

What I don't like is the idea of supporting multiple versions of the same content for different browsers - hence some of the unnecessary javascript due to poor planning on my part. It's quite easily fixed, I'll just have to dedicate some time for it.

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My other suggestion is that you are going to need to catergorize the site more. If you really are going to cover a wide range of 32 bit comuters you are going to need seperate FAQs, reviews, hints, projects etc. You could maybe put some tabs in along the top of the page, simillar to version tracker for each class of 32 Bit computer.

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LOL!! I never was any good with spelling and grammar, and vi is no help to me in this regard whatsoever! Still, I'll look into it. :-)

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LC 2, LC 3, Q605, Perf 638, Colour Classic (160 603e) 6100, 7200, PTP 225 (Quad 604), PM 9600, G4 Cube

Is stuff supposed to appear in the main panel???

G4From128k

http://jobf.kicks-ass.org/files/32bit.gif

I am in agreement with others that I think it should be viewable using older browsers.

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It works on IE6 on my XP machine at work.
Here's what it looks like:

http://jobf.kicks-ass.org/files/32bit.gif

I am in agreement with others that I think it should be viewable using older browsers.

Jobf.

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by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way
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It works on IE6 on my XP machine at work.
Here's what it looks like:

http://jobf.kicks-ass.org/files/32bit.gif

I am in agreement with others that I think it should be viewable using older browsers.

Jobf.

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It looks exactly like that on Netscape 6.2.1 on my G4 under 9.0.4, except the main text panel (with the short "welcome" letter) is blank. Clicking on a Nav link changes the title of the main panel, but no text appears. In iCab, the text of the welcome letter appears, but clicking on a Nav link only changes the panel title without changing the panel text.

It looks like the chgContent(changewhat,changevalue,changeurl) Javascript function is not loading or rendering the text properly.

G4From128k

by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist
by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way
Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent

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I'll have a look into it, though without a Mac running any MacOS at my disposal, it may be difficult to diagnose.

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Jobf.

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I'll have a look into it, though without a Mac running any MacOS at my disposal, it may be difficult to diagnose.

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Thanks, Brad

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The answer is to ditch the Javascript!!

It's one of the most evil of mans creations! I know this well having been a web master, currently a software tester working on web based applications (I drew the short straw and have to test using NS 4.77) and doing freelance web design and programming.

It's one thing to use Javascript for showing off, rollovers etc, but for loading content it's just not acceptable

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LOL! You lucky dog! Until recently, Netscape 4.73 was the ONLY browser that my ISP (Verizon DSL) supported on the Mac!

jt ™.
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C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF

Looks like the last few posts have been deleted, in any case here's an update on PHP. It's installed, and it's working with no noticable hit on RAM, though pages do load slower due to crunching at the server.

I looked at the php tutorial you provided, that helped, but to get at all productive with php I'll most likely have to pick up some more reading material. I'm still undecided whether or not I'll go this route or not. On the one hand, it'd make the site much more modular which I like, on the other hand it slows it down and it sends more data each round trip. Without getting into caching, if I browse to the site and select the FAQ. With PHP it appears, the whole page is re-rendered and send back to the client, images & all. If I just update an IFRAME, only that page is sent to the browser. Granted, the php ditches all the additional tags required to properly render the HTML in the IFRAME... The short of it is, I'll keep playing with it. I'm not discounting anything. Afterall, if danamania has it.... :-)

What I could do is setup the 6100 as the primary webserver with the php templates on it and only grab the content from the LC III. That would speed things up, but I'll have to decide if that deviates too much from the site goals which I'm still evaluating.

-Brad

Is it really slowing down the site significantly? I assume you are accessing the machine by ethernet but the slow down may not be noticeable to dialup users (the majority). Either way try and limit the number of PHP includes to the bare minimum. you shouldn't need one per page. Don't bother using seperate includes for headers/footers and menu bars. Even if you have to maintain each template by hand their shouldn't be too many to deal with.

The problem with the iFrame is it's not standard code, propriety tags suck too. Lets add that to the list

Things that suck,
Javascript
Frames
Proprietry tags.

And while we're at it browsers that aren't fully standards compliant, or implement standards in their own funky ways!

If you're going to use the 6100, why not just transfer the whole site to it? Doe your LC3 have an FPU? It might help. Probably the easiest way to add one is through one of the combined ethernet/fpu PDS cards, you may already have one. Failing that you could always pick up a Q605 or an LC475 (you could even get the mobo on it's own and install it in your machine.) This would be quite a lot faster and not cost too much. It would also keep with the low power server theme.

Keep us posted!

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I'd sell you my PHP book but I doubt it's worth the cost of postage from Aus to Canada, even if I sold it to you for like 15 USD (It cost 30 a couple of months ago)

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