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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
 Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 14:24:42
I have Power Book 520 coming in that I would really like to put a full 040 on. From the research I have done I need a MC68040FE25A. Which is a 184-pin cqfp package. Now the hard part is finding the chip. One solution that I have found that some of the amigas might have one, But I have no idea which one. Anyone have any idea what hardware might have one that I could pull it off of?Eric
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 19:50:51
Have you run any more of the numbers on this page?www.motorola.com/collateral/PCN5606.txt jt  .
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MOTOROLA Issued: 05-MAY-2000
Semiconductor Products Sector Issuing Division: NCSG (N,NW)
Subject: MOTOROLA PRODUCT AND PROCESS CHANGE NOTIFICATION 5606
TITLE: MC68040XXYY WAFER FAB CHANGE TO TSC8
EFFECTIVE DATE: 13-AUG-00
AFFECTED CHANGE CATEGORIES
Motorola Fab Site Marking Process
Subcontractor Fab Site Die Shrink
AFFECTED PRODUCT DIVISIONS
IMAGING SYSTEMS DIV (LD) WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS DIV (VC)
ADVANCED VEHICLE SYS DIV (JB) WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE SYS DIV (
BODY ELECTRONICS AND OCCUPANT SAF RF/IF DIV (VW)
ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEMS DIV (LB) NETWORKING SYSTEMS DIV (NN)
ADDITIONAL RELIABILITY DATA: None Ref: RHJT10
SAMPLES: Contact Local Sales Ref:
Contact your local Motorola Sales Office.
For any questions concerning this notification:
REFERENCE:MARTY ALKIS PHONE: 512-895-8921
DISCLAIMER:
MOTOROLA WILL CONSIDER THIS CHANGE APPROVED UNLESS SPECIFIC
CONDITIONS OF ACCEPTANCE ARE PROVIDED IN WRITING WITHIN 30 DAYS OF
RECEIPT OF THIS NOTICE. TO DO SO, CONTACT YOUR LOCAL MOTOROLA SALES
OFFICE.
**********************************************************************
PRODUCT AND PROCESS CHANGE NOTIFICATION
**********************************************************************
DESCRIPTION AND PURPOSE
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Motorola is pleased to announce the introduction of a new 0.57
micron mask revision for the MC68040 product line. The new mask
revision, K63H, is fabricated at Tohoku Semiconductor Corporation
(TSC8), a Motorola subcontractor fabrication facility in Japan.
The K63H mask revision (MC68040 Rev. A, i.e. MC68040FE25A) is
designed to replace the 0.65 micron E42K (non-rev 68040, i.e.
MC68040FE25) mask revision
formerly manufactured in the MOS11 fabrication facility in Austin,
TX.
The Rev. A MC68040 is a drop-in replacement for the non-rev MC68040.
This means that no circuit board modifications are necessary if
converting from non-rev to Rev. A.
Please consult the Motorola MC68040 web site for the most recent
MC68040 device data, and MC68040 Frequently Asked Questions:
http://www.mot.com/SPS/HPESD/prod/0X0/
MC68040 product built with the Rev. A mask, K63H, will have an "A"
suffix at the end of the device number (MC68040FE25A), as opposed to
the no-suffix for E42K non-rev mask product (MC68040FE25). Also,
the device marking will contain "0K63H" as the mask revision. All
other marking on the device will
remain unchanged.
Please consult your local Motorola Sales Office or local Distributor
for samples.
To order samples, order:
SPAK040FE25A, SPAK040FE33A, SPAK040FE40A
SPAK040RC25A, SPAK040RC33A, SPAK040RC40A
QUALIFICATION PLAN
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See reliability data summary.
RELIABILITY DATA SUMMARY
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TSC8 UDR1 Process qualification Data
QA Lot #1 QA Lot #2 QA Lot #3
HTOL 168 hrs 0/80 0/80 0/80
HTOL 504 hrs 0/80 0/80 0/80
HTOL 1008 hrs 0/80 0/80 0/80
Pre-conditioning 0/240 0/240 0/240
Temp cycle 100 cyc. 0/80 0/80 0/80
Temp cycle 500 cyc. 0/80 0/80 0/80
Temp cycle 1000 cyc. 0/80 0/80 0/80
Autoclave 48 hrs 0/80 0/80 0/80
Autoclave 144 hrs 0/80 0/80 0/80
THB 168 hrs 0/80 0/80 0/75
THB 504 hrs 0/80 0/77 0/75
68040 Device Specific Data
Environmental Stresses Qty/Lot # Lots Stress Conditions
Results
(#Fails)
168hrs
Life Test (125C) 77 1 168 hrs -
ESD (Human Body Model) 3 1 4000V -
Current Injection Latch-Up 3 1 200mA -
ELECTRICAL CHARACTERISTIC SUMMARY
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No Changes to electrical performance. The new mask set meets all
specifications guaranteed in the current 68040 (MC68040) databook.
CHANGED PART IDENTIFICATION
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MC68040 product built with the Rev. A, mask set K63H, will have a
"A" suffix. Also, the device marking will contain "0K63H" as the
mask set identifier. All other marking on the device will remain
unchanged.
AFFECTED DEVICE LIST (WITHOUT SPECIALS)
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MC68040BRC33 , MC68040BRC33A , MC68040FE , MC68040FE25
MC68040FE25A , MC68040FE33 , MC68040FE33A , MC68040FE40
MC68040FE40A , MC68040FEA , MC68040RC25 , MC68040RC25A
MC68040RC33 , MC68040RC33A , MC68040RC40 , MC68040RC40A
MC68040RCA , SPAK040FE25 , SPAK040FE25A , SPAK040FE33
SPAK040FE33A , SPAK040FE40 , SPAK040FE40A , SPAK040RC25A
SPAK040RC33A , SPAK040RC40A
Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 12 Mar 2003 19:55:20 |
foetoid
Full Member
USA
554 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 20:01:36
i don't know if this is possible, but could you put the plug in chip (can't think of real name for the life of me right now) in there if you somehow managed to get the socket (socket mount processors maybe is the name?) soldered on the daughtercard or something to get a full 040?
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 20:21:45
quote:
i don't know if this is possible, but could you put the plug in chip (can't think of real name for the life of me right now) in there if you somehow managed to get the socket (socket mount processors maybe is the name?) soldered on the daughtercard or something to get a full 040?
CQFP->PGA adapters are quite expensive, LARGE and the PGA versions of the chip are power hogs (different voltage requirement too?)
jt .
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Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 12 Mar 2003 20:22:56 |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 21:44:42
while we're at it we could ask JT and all about the advantages of a 68060 type processor... I'm sure that Shaktiman and another can duke it out about why a 060 nwould be good for our Quadras.....then... yeahOfficial 68k videographer
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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 21:57:23
Thats what the stupid A means. I figured that A was just a rev number. I knew as long it did not have a V in the part number nothing after the FE mattered. V means that it is a 3.3 volt 68LC040. All though it sounds a A rev would be preferable as it is a smaller micron process. It should help with heat issues.I may have line on one, but I am waiting to see the priceing or how many I will have to buy. I agree mots site does suck. Took me 30 minutes to find the 040 data sheet. The only thing worse there website is calling them. I tought of making a cqfp to pga adapter, but short of building a whole new cpu module I dont see a way to make it fit.
disclamer- I dont have the laptop yet, it is in the mail, but from the pics I looked at theres not much free space
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 22:51:49
quote:
Thats what the stupid A means. I figured that A was just a rev number. I knew as long it did not have a V in the part number nothing after the FE mattered. V means that it is a 3.3 volt 68LC040. All though it sounds a A rev would be preferable as it is a smaller micron process. It should help with heat issues.I may have line on one, but I am waiting to see the priceing or how many I will have to buy. I agree mots site does suck. Took me 30 minutes to find the 040 data sheet. The only thing worse there website is calling them. I tought of making a cqfp to pga adapter, but short of building a whole new cpu module I dont see a way to make it fit.
disclamer- I dont have the laptop yet, it is in the mail, but from the pics I looked at theres not much free space
Get the service manuals for the 500 series and look at the exploded diagrams and the ppc upgrade installation manual. Also, email alien, he's the one who has done this kind of thing. In Q 1-10, the CQFP-> PGA pins adapter I found and checked out for the 2300c 603e->1400c CPU card interface->G3 card hack is about $400! :rolleyes:jt ™.
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Clinton
Full Member
USA
700 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2003 : 02:35:07
find a friend with an electronics lab, that has a de-integration device that'll remove the chip w/o making a whole hell of a mess of the daughtercard, and then reintegrate the QFP full '040 onto it.you can also call up Japan, and get a proccie card out of a dead 550c, or the full-on 550c for that matter :) CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant)
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Alien
Junior Member
Netherlands
269 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2003 : 10:56:43
I like that Amiga idea... But I wouldn't know which type of CPU they used. Only the highest-end ones used '040's and they are still sold at a premium. I think the price of a sample 68040 from Motorola is about $250, from a discussion on the LEM PowerBooks list a while ago.Also, you may want to consider getting a 40 MHz rated CPU while you're at it, you can overclock the 520 to at least 40 MHz, maybe even more (45 MHz has been reported possible). ,xtG
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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 15 Mar 2003 : 22:40:19
I got the laptop today, but its not a 520, its a 540.I thought of tracking down a 550 cpu card also. I checked with Mot and to get a single chip will run about $200. I did find a place that has them, but they have a $100 min. My plan is try to find a piece of hardware that has one on it.
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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 00:08:38
Digging back up an old tread. Alien were did you get the chip at?--Eric
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Alien
Junior Member
Netherlands
269 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 01:30:17
A place I worked for a while had stacks of them in old stock. They were used in custom-built industrial controllers.The thing is, you pretty much want a new chip. Unsoldering these things without destroying them is a real bitch. ,xtG
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2003 : 07:18:30
quote:
. . . you pretty much want a new chip. Unsoldering these things without destroying them is a real bitch.
I wonder how well ChipQuick (?) would work for desoldering an IC for reuse? MadDog over at 'fritter said it worked great for removing the 603e from his Duo 2300c, but his intention was to replace it with a faster CPU.How many comrades would need to chip in to make up a $100 order? What's the per unit cost? jt ™.
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