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shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 10:12:25
Sorry but I don't know a gaming forum.shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1 , 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive Performa400(asleepintheattick) |
catsdorule
Senior Member
Canada
1627 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 10:13:19
Are you talking about the saturn?-danny You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate 3134.0 ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3 |
Clinton
Full Member
USA
700 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 10:22:02
I think that the megadrive was a disc based drive, and if it was, all of Sega's equipment playes CDs, so I am assuming that this one does too.for all others information, I think that the megadrive is an addon for the genesis that snaps onto the side of the system, and lets you play 32bit games. CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e |
MacMoose
Junior Member
USA
176 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 10:41:46
The Sega Megadrive is the british/japanese version of the Genesis. There is an add-on that allows for playing CD Games, but it is not a standard feature.The Sega Sauturn is a totally different beast. "Man's best possession is a sympathetic wife." -- Euripides (480?-406 BC), Greek dramatist >SpaceBoy explains it much better< ------------------ MacMoose Benevolent Genius, 68k MLA Total 68K Macs liberated: 22 and counting ------------------ Edited by - MacMoose on 06 Mar 2003 10:48:15
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SpaceBoy
Full Member
USA
631 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 10:43:43
Okay, here's the scoop: "MegaDrive" is the Japanese name for what we in the West know/knew as the Sega Genesis. There later folowed (just before the time of the Saturn) an add-on called "32x" or "32-X", which was a doodad that plugged into the cart port of the Genesis/Megadrive, and allowed you to play special, supposedly 32-bit cart games. Very few games came out for this thing, and it was quickly abandoned. Also around the same time, there was another add-on, called the "Sega-CD", which was more-or-less a 32-bit CD-ROM player that connected to the Genesis/Megadrive, allowing full CD-based titles. This hardware was not even close to the Saturn in terms of processing power, and quickly went the way of the also ill-fated 32-X. Saturn put them all in an early grave, and then was promptly trashed by the Sony Playstation. If you're able to find a SegaCD unit (or the super-rare CD-X, which was more-or-less a Discman-sized version of the Genesis/CD combo), you'll find a rather poor selection of games- most were cheesy full-motion-video based titles, with very little interaction. One notable exception was the Lunar series of Role Playing Games, which have since been re-released on Playstation. These are some really great RPGs. Okay, that's about it. If you're really interested in the history of the Genesis (and it's add-ons), go here: http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/genesis/file/sega_genesis.txt Have fun! SpaceBoy <who just proved what a game-nerd he really is>Official MLA Raconteur AppleBASIC FOREVER! TiBook G4/500, "Difference Engine" PowerMac 6500/275 Performa 6400/180 3x PowerMac 7600/132 SE/30 32/250, "Wang" PB 1400/133 PB 180/33 PMac 7100/G3-266 Quadra 950, "HAL 9000" Newton 120, "PADD" |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 13:03:01
I thought that the megadrivewas pre cd & it seems that it was justish, somebody is advertising cd games for the megadrive & Turrican is among them. Now looking into Turrican what I found very funny was that as far as I knew Turrican was an Amiga game which branched onto other platforms, & paradoxically branched onto the Commodore 64, I say paradoxically cos c64 was pre Amiga but was still selling it's mag & games even when the Amiga was in full flow, yes I am kneeling b4 the c64 shrine. Anyhow what I didn't know was that the Amstrad cpc464 had a version of Turrican, there is a screenshot & if you knew Turrican you may recognise it otherwise you will think that it is a few blocks on the screen, set the screens to low low rez. I'll go & follow the link. shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1 , 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive Performa400(asleepintheattick) |
Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 14:14:19
Turrican, still one of the best games along with Alien Breed. I remember playing both of these for hours on my friends A600's. I eventually bought Turrican 2 for my Spectrum +2 (that's the one with a whoping 128k of RAM!!)EDIT - Spaceboy is totally right about the console situation. The Saturn was pretty crap although I remember playing some kind of star wars/x-wing game on it quite a bit. I also seem to remember reviews of the CD module for the Mega Drive on Bad Influence or Games Master Did some kinf of CD unit come out for the Amiga around the same time? I friend recently told me about someones work on making a CD ROM drive for the spectrum. To be honest it wouldn't be hard as all you have do is hook up the Headphone port on a personal stereo to the sound in / tape port on the Spectrum. Actually what would be neat would be transferring larger games like Turrican as multiple tracks. Man, waiting 7 mins for a game to load then having to wait 3 mins every time you completed a level. The worst thing was say I died on the second level I didn't have anything with tape counter so I couldn't rewind to the start of the first level and always had to reload the entire game! Actually talking about games like this on the Spectrum reminds me of the Street Fighter 2 port. Every level was in one colour and each character had to be loaded seperately for each fight! Lemmings also made it to the spectrum as an all purple game, even Doom made it but without any monsters so all you do is run around the levels. Edited by - gothikon on 06 Mar 2003 14:21:17 |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 15:23:55
Hi GothI really savoured reading your reply, I read slowly through the whole thread trying to guess what you might put down as a response. From cats:- quote: Are you talking about the saturn?
I really don't think I am but not really knowing the area I could be. quote: Turrican, still one of the best games along with Alien Breed.
I havn't played alien breed. How many flavours of Turrican have you tried goth? I have only played st Turrican & st Turrican II & Amiga Turrican & a demo of Turrican on C64. Visit the Turrican web site's try SETA(Search For Turrican Alternatives) Is Alien Breed on 68k mac? Here is my concise history of gaming; Atari 2600 & other flavours, good selection of games Nintendo & Sega both have pretty awfull graphics, not great range of games, more targeted at a younger audience, say 11 year olds, little sofistication, years later Atari took Sega to court over game copywright & won though Atari would need more than that to save them, I think the win helped them to break out almost even before being bought by JTS. Nintendo & Sega both get new boxes, erm probably 32 bit? Saturn & Snes? Nintendo 64 arrives, Atari Jaguar arrives(Sega dead?), well the Jag was the most powerfull games console & Nintendo 64 had the audacity to claim it was, no it wasn't not by tech specs anyway. The Jag is a good machine, & has good reviews & a few good titles. Nintendo 64 has damn ugly awkward to use controllers. Microsoft bring out the x box, lol I am looking for people to bet with cos Microsoft just cant get the gaming thing right & they will fail IMHO. Oh yeah & Sony Playstation is great & PSOne is better & PS 2 will win the console wars. a good console needs? a price which can be afforded. Game titles. descent tech specs(12 year olds dont really grasp all the bits & bytes as niether do I, will it play games when I plug it in?) cd gaming won cos cd's are cheap & last, therefore the second hand market for cd games is massive.
Cartridges are great things, but just can't compete with cd's. shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1 , 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive Performa400(asleepintheattick) |
SpaceBoy
Full Member
USA
631 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 16:01:01
quote: Spaceboy is totally right about the console situation. The Saturn was pretty crap although I remember playing some kind of star wars/x-wing game on it quite a bit.
While I don't want to start a "system X is totally better then system y"-style debate, I do want to mention that the Saturn was actually quite an amazing machine for it's time. Granted, the PSX won in the long run, but when it was in it's prime, nothing could top the Saturn. In terms of hardware specs, the Saturn was vastly more powerful then the PSX- it's just that it's main abilities were in churning out amazing 2-D visuals. Even today, in the age of PS2 and GameCube, the Saturn still reigns supreme, in the field of two-dimensional graphics. For example, if you put the Saturn version of Marvel vs. Capcom next to the PSX version, well, there's really no comparison. The Saturn version looks sweeeet and smmoooooth, while the PSX version is quite choppy, and the colors are quite washed out. This is just an example- the Saturn's trend of better 2-D graphics crosses dozens of titles. Also, the Saturn was one of, if not the first, systems to support internet multi-player! Yes, way back in the dark ages of the mid '90s, you could have your Saturn call a friend (who also had a Saturn and the NetLink modem), and you two could face off against each other! This was years before any other system even tried such a thing. Okay, enough ranting.... for now. :-) SpaceBoy <despite what I said above about not starting flame wars: Xbox can bite my ass!>Official MLA Raconteur AppleBASIC FOREVER! TiBook G4/500, "Difference Engine" PowerMac 6500/275 Performa 6400/180 3x PowerMac 7600/132 SE/30 32/250, "Wang" PB 1400/133 PB 180/33 PMac 7100/G3-266 Quadra 950, "HAL 9000" Newton 120, "PADD" |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2003 : 03:19:11
quote:
While I don't want to start a "system X is totally better then system y"-style debate, I do want to mention that the Saturn was actually quite an amazing machine for it's time. Granted, the PSX won in the long run, but when it was in it's prime, nothing could top the Saturn. In terms of hardware specs, the Saturn was vastly more powerful then the PSX-
Yes I couldn't agree more, but what I was trying to say I guess is that aside from tech specs, you also need a good marketing strategy. I feel that MS X-Box is too techy. & in the same way if it's tech specs your after then the N64 is dead in the water & the Jag would've won. shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1 , 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive Performa400(asleepintheattick) |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2003 : 07:23:38
Playstation 2 > ExBox! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7
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Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2003 : 14:58:28
To ShakI played Turrican 2 on the Amiga first, I then bought it for the Spectrum, I've also played it on the SNES, ATARI and PC I believe (not certain about the Atari version) I've played Alien Breen One and Two, first on the Amiga, then I got a dos card for my 6100 and played the PC version, I think I also downloaded it for my Amiga emultaor but I haven't used that for a while. In theroy it could run on a 68k Mac if it had ever been released. You might be able to pic up a cheap 486 DOS card, I got mine for about 10 UKP with all the cables. But you've got a PC so you could just download it from the underdogs or something. Spaceboy, I really remember very little about the Saturn, I think when it was eventually released most of my friends who were console gamers had moved from their SNES systems to Amigas. Most of them started with Gameboys and went on to the Mastersystem before that. Everyone else I knew at the time had a Mac. So the Saturn may have been allright but all I remember is one starwars game and the fact that it died a pretty quick death. I do remember that modem thing though! The PSOne often surprises me I can't remember the first game I ever played on one so I have no idea what I thought of it when I first saw it. I do remember playing a lot of Tekken 2 or 3 though, so when I went to my cousins who only had tekken one i was shocked at how bad the graphics were for the PSOnes first round of games! So you're probably right about the Saturns 2D being a lot more advanced, unfortunately SEGA put their money on the wrong ball! -------- LC 2, LC 3, Q605, Perf 638, Colour Classic (160 603e) 6100, 7200, PTP 225 (Quad 604), PM 9600, G4 Cube |
Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2003 : 15:08:13
Forgot to mention the Xbox. Ultimately I hope the playstation pulls ahead, the rumours at the moment make it sound like an awesome machine but I about rumours about the future of any of these would do the same. In terms of what happens next I suppose Microsoft will have the easiest time. Admitedly the'll need a new mobo design etc but as it;s pretty simillar to a PC there are plenty of other people to provide them with ideas. A bigger HD, more RAM, faster DVD drive and better graphics card is a complete no brainer. Just like the case, the XBox has to the one of THE worst looking, loudest and heaviest consoles out there! Ok you're not going to move it around that much but the PS2 looks 10x better. Nintendo also seem to labour over their hardware although they come out with some great stuff. I suppose Nintendo are Apples equivelant in the console world, at least in some ways.I think if it weren't for MS bottomless pockets the Playstation would remain the dominant player but MS are just going to keep on slugging away at them. The few games I've played on the Xbox have been great, Halo and Splinter cell, but there are only a few games. Finally Shak, how techi is the console market? I think it's always been pretty straightforward. At the moment, Playstation = least powerfull but most and best games. GameCube very powerfull (more so than the Xbox?) looks good but only a few select titles, however they also Mario to help them. Xbox most powerfull, a few excellent games but little more. Also you are totally getting the Saturn and Mega drive confused! Which one was the Atari Jaguar? was that the handheld? or was that the lynx? Edited by - gothikon on 07 Mar 2003 15:10:14 |
boredomconquersall
Full Member
Canada
613 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2003 : 16:47:32
ahem. the atari jaguar was the first 64 bit console ever created. it was released in 1993, and went until about 1995-1996... I'm not sure, because atari floated around for another like 3 years after that before it went under (BTW, if you have ever played any of the atari arcade games from the late 90's, you will notice that they look WAY BETTER than any other console today, because they were based on 3DFX, and 3DFX, in my opinion kicked direct X's ass, and even looked better than open GL did at that point... ho hum. how the superior allways end up the underdogs...) back on topic, the atari jaguar had the same CPU as the genesis and, as I have stated so many times before, many early macs (16MHz 68000... why can't we have a "various other 68K devices" section coxy?!) but, it got it's real power from it's ~30MHz sound and ~80 MHz graphics processors, which could process 1200000 textured polygons per second (for the best example of what it could do, look at this page, http://www.atari-jaguar64.de/english/start.html this game was done in 1994!!! 3D acceleration was in it's infantcy back then, so I think this is pritty amazing.) I'm kind of rambling on, so I'll just end by saying... the lynx was a 16-bit color handheld system, and very fun to play.-end transmission- THnxnx "wow. that... was interesting..." 10000Th poster and 1000Th topic creator in lounge. and remember, if you try and install mac OS 10.2 on an early G3, you will go insane, and aquire a thirst for blood! |
Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2003 : 00:46:03
OK, now I remember which one the Jaguar was. I only ever used a Lynx but seeing the pictures refreshed my memory, AvP for the Jaguar was the original AvP game wasn't it? I know there was Aliens 3 for the SNES but that's not the same. AvP also came out for the Saturn didn't it?I remember reading some reviews of the Jaguar now and I'm sure they had it on bad influence, that's the second time I've mentioned that program. Bad Influence was a short lived (3 seasons?) computer games/hardware review program on childrens TV in the UK. Compared to Games Master which IIRC had resorted to Dexter Fletcher as a presenter by that point it was pretty good. Games master focused purely on games though and the highlights were the 3 games challenges, unless of course you enjoyed seeing Sir Patrick Moore in some dodgy bluescreen disembodied head antics!! The challenges were pretty funny actually, they got one guy to play 3 simaltaneous games of puzzle bobble! -------- LC 2, LC 3, Q605, Perf 638, Colour Classic (160 603e) 6100, 7200, PTP 225 (Quad 604), PM 9600, G4 Cube |
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