If Apple hadn't nabbed Jobs back in the late 90s - what would we have seen from Apple in the years since?

Run with a few assumptions too - that Apple do survive, and that anything external to the company runs pretty much the same, ie G3/G4s have the same slow release schedule, and so on.

I'm guessing there'd be no OSX, but perhaps MacOS 10 instead (yeah it sounds the same!), the newton/emate would have evolved to something, and platinum boxes would still be the go. As I'm too sleepy to think much more beyond there, I shall return to my Powermac 9900av (the six slot PCI G4 that is) and wonder some more.

dana

Also, I too believe that OS "10" would exist, but radically different, and I higly doubt for the better. Again with the killing question, who EXACTLY killed Copland/Gershwin? Perhaps it would have boiled down that road.

The cases would yes probably be beige, but if they ran with the k9 (8/9600) "style," they would probably be easy open, large room internally, powerhouses.

Who knows, maybe Be would have been the basis for the OS if not for the "Jobs intervention."

~The Penguin (Loves it when he gets to ponder like this...)

of course, On board SCSI is a MUST

But yes, i'd say that if Jobs hadn't taken over Apple, they'd probably still be making losses. There would be no iMac. Beige would still be in. PowerMacs would still be six-slot beasts, and the AIO consumer Mac would probably be a revised version of the 5500. The clones would still be around, and other PC companies, such as AcHe-Pee, Crappaq, Dell and Crappard Smell would probably be making Mac OS Compatibles along with WinBoxes.

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the AIO consumer Mac would probably be a revised version of the 5500. The clones would still be around, and other PC companies, such as AcHe-Pee, Crappaq, Dell and Crappard Smell would probably be making Mac OS Compatibles along with WinBoxes.

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That's my crystal ball wayback machine's $.02 anyway.

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anyway, just my $0.02

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I'm guessing there'd be no OSX, but perhaps MacOS 10 instead (yeah it sounds the same!), the newton/emate would have evolved to something, and platinum boxes would still be the go. As I'm too sleepy to think much more beyond there, I shall return to my Powermac 9900av (the six slot PCI G4 that is) and wonder some more.

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either way... I'dve loved to see what came of those clones... some of them were pretty nice

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Ellen Hancock Killed Rhapsody... I thought that Spindler or whoever killed those clones?

either way... I'dve loved to see what came of those clones... some of them were pretty nice

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Who ran things instead of Jobs? Mr Gates? or are others allowed to have a go? I instigate Mr G Kahn, lol

Anyhow after Captain Kirk took the reigns we had ugly computer voices, funny little lights covered by differing coloured plastic, Salt & pots for the mac sick bay & killer overly dramatic scene every episode aka press release,

indeed does it claim in Job's history that he was an avid trekkie? this would explain alot,

imac(funny lights covered in differing coloured plastic),
Salt & Pepper pots, those USB storage devices,
Ugly computer voices, Apple speach
An overly dramatic scene well I will let you all be the judge for this one.

I really didn't understand most of what everyone here was talking about, but then I only barley got interested in ST polotics, so having to realise an interest in Jobs & co is not the highest of probabilities for Mr Shak.

Hey we all know what would've happened if Mr Shak had taken over, or at least trash & cine do(Q860av).

Yes but what if Goldfinger had of taken over? now gold imacs ensue?

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Now I know someone is going to hit me for this, but was it after Jobs came back, or before, that the clones were killed? That
could have been interesting...

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I think that it'd be fun to see copland actually running on someon'es X100 PowerMac/Performa.... I was THIIIS close to running Copland... but I figured out that the badly bashed 6100 didn't work by the time I got it at my house from that load I got last summer.....

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Salt & Pepper pots, those USB storage devices,

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Im a thinkin that MacOSX would have been much better, if based on BeOS, instead of NeXTStep. It would be so nice to have Gasse to be runnning Apple. And the fears of the iMac being beige would nto be a threat, those BeBox's were prety coulourfull.

Dont get me wrong, I like Steve, but having a BeOS core in MacOS10 would have been nice....

Im a thinkin that MacOSX would have been much better, if based on BeOS, instead of NeXTStep. It would be so nice to have Gasse to be runnning Apple. And the fears of the iMac being beige would nto be a threat, those BeBox's were prety coulourfull.

Oldmacman & tmtomh: You BeOS biggots. My ears are burning, they are burning! :) BeOS unstable? What planet you been on. Seriously though, I have never sued NeXTStep (or OpenStep for that matter) but I have used BeOS. BeOS in my view was, special. The GUI melded into the background so you could concentrate on your work. It was fast and Stable. It had the problems that every new OS has, software limitability. This is forgivable, so give BeOS slack.

Dont get me wrong, I like Steve, but having a BeOS core in MacOS10 would have been nice....

NOTE: Sorry about the double post, but you got to make your buttons cleaer for the hard of sight...

We'd still be using the "older" style monitor connection.....

Yeah, I think those good things about BeOS also... it makes a slow Pentium 200MMX feel fast again, and it was very stable..... ALWAYS it was stable

I seemedto have a few mouse issues in either the PPC OR the Intel version though... thse were usually hammered out affer a few hours of installation though

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I think apple'd still be making peripherals.... I think that one piece they'd be particularly proud of is a line of projectors (even if that only means 2) that work with macintosh.

We'd still be using the "older" style monitor connection.....

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Nope, we'd be using VGA, PS2 and even parallel port connections . . . .anybody else remember CHRP? Now we've got proprietary B.S. up the wazoo, less than half the market share and developers can't be bothered with making Mac drivers available for AGP and PCI cards or USB and FireWire peripherals now that the Mac finally uses the same freakin' interfaces as PCs. :rolleyes:

I think a lot of Motorola's G4 development strategy stems from the despicable way Apple killed the CHRP initiative. That was the PPC consortiums roadmap for the growth of the PPC platform and Apple took the Jobsian shortcut back into proprietary hardware and gradual marginalization of the Mac platform.

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Yes, I agree. BeOS is stable. But NeXTSTEP and OpenStep are more stable. In some government applications, NeXT black hardware worked perfectly without a reboot for upwards of eight years!

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