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skamen
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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 17 Jan 2002 :  14:48:21
I played Artillery on my friend's Palm m100 (I know what your thinking how can I have a Palm user for a friend :)) and it was awesome. Is there any artillery style games for the Newton and if there are which one is the best? I checked a few sites with Newton software and couldn't find any. Hopefully there is because that game is awesome and I want to play it on my beloved Newton.

-Scott

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skamen
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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 25 Jan 2002 :  15:38:44
Someone out there you must help me! I need to play Artillery on my Newton. Each day that passes without Artillery on my Newton my mental health begins to slowly deteriorate.

-Scott

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Christophillis
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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 16 Feb 2002 :  16:19:11
skamen your totally obsessed... I think they should really pick a mod for this forum. You know it would be cool to see my friend( who made up the idea of the newton forum) be the moderator for it. What do you think skamen?

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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 19 Feb 2002 :  14:24:00
I whole heartedly agree. This imaginary SuperMod character that is the Mod for the Newton forum is just a cover up so that `Coxy can say that the spot is already filled. If you look at his information his location is Uzbekistan and his email address is none@none.com.uz. He also has 0 posts.

-Scott

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~Coxy
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Australia
2822 Posts
Posted - 20 Feb 2002 :  07:57:36
Of course he's not a real member! If we were to appoint one, you'd be first in line, I promise...

Anyway, who made up the idea of the Newton forum? It was there in the beginning!

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skamen
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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 20 Feb 2002 :  17:04:36
I'm not trying to argue with you but I can assure you that this forum didn't originally have a Newton forum. It had most of the others forums but I emailed you and said that it would be a good idea to have a Newton forum and a day or so later a Newton forum was added.

-Scott

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Christophillis
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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 21 Feb 2002 :  16:02:56
I'm sorry Coxy but im going to have to agree with skamen. One day he came to school telling me about this great new forum and how they didn't have a newton forum yet. I said well why dont you tell those guys to make one and he said I already have. So... it kida was skamen's idea. By the way why don't you just pick someone for crying out loud?

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Posted - 22 Feb 2002 :  07:32:05
That as may, be, but the Newton forum was on the original 'blueprint' for this place, along with Apple II since the MAF didn't cater for them. (Apart from 'Vintage Macs')

Anyway, why don't you earn a Moderator position? Submit some content for our largely empty site!

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Christophillis
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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 22 Feb 2002 :  11:31:06
So Coxy you have to have contributed to the website to get a mod position? What did Lounge Lizard submit the whole song deal??? I think that becoming a moderator should be more based on contribution to the forums than helping with the website. Just for an example, When I posted something wrong a while back LoungeLizard locked and moved the post, as a mods job should be... But I have yet to see him/her post about anything related to 68kmacs. Sorry if I sound a little rude but I think you should really base your judgment on something a little more substantial, and not give favors to your friends.

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Posted - 22 Feb 2002 :  13:10:57
quote:

So Coxy you have to have contributed to the website to get a mod position? What did Lounge Lizard submit the whole song deal??? I think that becoming a moderator should be more based on contribution to the forums than helping with the website. Just for an example, When I posted something wrong a while back LoungeLizard locked and moved the post, as a mods job should be... But I have yet to see him/her post about anything related to 68kmacs. Sorry if I sound a little rude but I think you should really base your judgment on something a little more substantial, and not give favors to your friends.

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um, LoungeLizard is an account that all mods can log onto if regulation is needed in the Lounge...it's not a real person

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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 23 Feb 2002 :  07:56:29
I'm not necessarily saying that I should be the mod for this forum but I do agree with Christophillis that mod selection should be based on contribution to the forum not the website. A moderator's job should be to moderate a forum not to contribute to a website. If a mod want's to contribute to the website that's great but it shouldn't be necessary a part of becoming a mod.

-Scott

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Christophillis
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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 23 Feb 2002 :  13:52:57
Ok Firewire sorry I kinda figured something like that... Skamen has it right! Moderator status should be based on forum posting and not on website contribution. No offence to any of the Mods, but you guys really should re-think your policy of up-ing us grunts to moderator status.

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Marchie
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USA
911 Posts
Posted - 23 Feb 2002 :  22:26:40
This Moderator has 4 things to say:

1) I have pushed the "Create Content for the Site and Get Mod Status" idea. I pretty much came up with it myself.

2) I have advocated from the beginning of this particular forum topic that skamen should be mod of it.

3) LoungeLizard is a generic mod, that any mod has the password for, for regulating the lounge, because no one wanted the sole job of it.

4) I'm going to quote something I posted in the WarRoom. It is a list of what such a "contribution" to the website should be.

quote:
A) a list of links to other pages concerning the topic
2) an introduction of themselves as Team Leader of the respective forum
D) a basic introduction to the activities ... ie Where to get a Newton, and where to get the software to use a Newton with your 68k Mac.

Also I wrote:

quote:
Will each CURRENT mod please create a similar page? Making such a request of the wanna-be mods is only fair if we ourselves have done or are doing the same, and frankly I think we've been a bit lazy as "Pioneers" by not creating such things

Now, when I say these things, I'm referring to "content" as this:

no need for fancy HTML, that's FireWire's job, and the job of others who are putting the website together. But This forum and the website are (ideally are) a cohesive community, inseperable from each other. That was the plan, from the beginning. Go check it out in the Vintage Mac Forum at MAF if you want to see.

Just write a simple, introduction to your FORUM, and provide the basics of knowledge that you beleive people should have.

Like what you ask? Do I want 6 people a month wandering into the Compact Mac Forum and asking "Can I put the RAM from my SE/30 into my G3 Desktop? I need more RAM to use the Monika Lewinski skin in Quake 7"... no, I want them to see the Compact Macs page, which lists the kindof RAM used in the Compact MAcs, and all the MAcs that they are compatible with.

Do you want 6 people a month asking you where to download the Newton Connection Utilitiy, because Apple doesn;t provide it? No, you want them to head off to www.unna.org and fetch it.

That is content, and what any Mod SHOULD be doing... essential, simple.

~Marchie

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Posted - 23 Feb 2002 :  22:49:27
quote:

no need for fancy HTML, that's FireWire's job, and the job of others who are putting the website together. But This forum and the website are (ideally are) a cohesive community, inseperable from each other. That was the plan, from the beginning. Go check it out in the Vintage Mac Forum at MAF if you want to see.

Thank you, Marchie m'boy for conveying my opinion so coherently

(I still have some threads fish out to add to the "grass roots" section though, so...)

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alcoa
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Albania
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Posted - 23 Feb 2002 :  23:07:04
quote:
A) a list of links to other pages concerning the topic
2) an introduction of themselves as Team Leader of the respective forum
D) a basic introduction to the activities ... ie Where to get a Newton, and where to get the software to use a Newton with your 68k Mac.

sounds good to me, the moderators in the yahoo truck groups have introductions and send e-mails to new members for a kind of "orientation."

i was quite impressed with a point that macmoose made in a similar thread:

quote:

A new moderator needs to be drawn from the herd carefully, as a careless moderator can cause irreparable(sp?) damage to these fledgling forums. I love this place; I don't want to see it go downhill with petty whining.


i think marchie is being straightforward and reasonable. this discussion has been fine so far, so long as it remains a discussion of reasonable proposals and without descending to the level of listing grievances and bickering over opinions, i think it's great.

but i don't remember ever reading that it was a democracy and it should never become one, imho. these pioneers have constructed a really nice sandbox and opened for the public for playtime, i suggest we not start crapping in it. we're here because we liked what they started and they are working to improve it. i have posted several members and mods privately when i wanted to make my opinions known or i thought something needed either attention or to be left alone. I have been very pleased by the responsiveness of everybody involved, maybe that approach will work well for these issues too.

imho, of course,
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Christophillis
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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 24 Feb 2002 :  10:00:04
I really agree with you Marchie. But what I ment by not basing moderator status on just website content was this: I assumed that Coxy was talking about anyone in general going and putting something up on the website, not be a mod and creating a page. It is very reasonable to say that moderators should put up a page introducing themselves and pre-answering any questions that one of us might have. The only reason I keep posting here is because you guys (the moderators in general not just you Marchie) have not put a moderator in a forum that has been here since the beginning of this forum website. And my good friend has been here almost since creation and he has asked, and asked and not only did you guys (again refering to the mods in general) not put skamen in, you didn't give anyone the position of moderator in the Newton forum. I can understand why you guys created LoungeLizard to patrol the Lounge,(spreading the power around a little) but why when you have moderators for every other forum have you not picked a (real) mod? Compact Macs has a mod, so does PowerBook, and Quadra/Centris so why do you guys keep putting off this forum? I know this isn't a Democracy, but at least try to be fair.

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Marchie
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USA
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Posted - 24 Feb 2002 :  14:55:26
<Sides With Christophillis>

Now that everyone understands the "requirement" for being a mod (There are empty spots, and you and Skamen have first dibs if you want it, that is only fair), go and write your little intro.

I'm writing my own tonight, as that is only fair.

</Sides With Christophillis>

<Laughable Public shaming>

ATTN all Current Mods (Myself included)!

Get your intro pages for your forum posted ASAP, or be subject to public critism and ridicule, includeing but not Limited to Marchie writing songs about you, parodying such awful things like "LOLA" (C-O-X-Y, Coxy), "Yummy YUmmy Yummy, I got love in my Tummy" (Naughty Naughty Naughty, FiewWire eats Aussies),and "Oh y' cannae shove yer granny off the Bus" (Oh Y' cannae hot Plug MacScuzzy on a bus)

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skamen
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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 24 Feb 2002 :  17:25:01
This may sound stupid but how do I contribute my writing? Do I email it to Firewire? What you said certainly sounds reasonable and I would be more than happy to write it up if it would improve my chances of becoming the Newton Mod.

-Scott

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USA
911 Posts
Posted - 24 Feb 2002 :  19:08:22
You can e-mail it to FireWire, or to myself (being thaty technically I am a Webpage person around here, but have done just about squat)

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Australia
2822 Posts
Posted - 25 Feb 2002 :  05:40:40
quote:

I'm not necessarily saying that I should be the mod for this forum but I do agree with Christophillis that mod selection should be based on contribution to the forum not the website. A moderator's job should be to moderate a forum not to contribute to a website. If a mod want's to contribute to the website that's great but it shouldn't be necessary a part of becoming a mod.

-Scott


Hmm, but it is. The two are interlinked, part of the whole kit and kaboodle. Anyway, a moderator is a high ranking position, and you should be prepared to do work to earn the place. Anyway, you were the 18th member to join, (7th Nov) but have only 30 posts! What exactly have you contributed to the forum? Do you answer people's queries a lot? All these things go together in the Mod Squad Job!

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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 25 Feb 2002 :  16:00:36
I shall do my writing and send it in to FireWire. The reason why I only have 30 posts is that I do not post for the sake of posting like some of the members of this forum (no offense intended). If someone has a question I will try to answer it. I will do the best I can to answer a question in the Newton forum. A certain quote to keep in mind:

"Don't speak unless you can improve upon the silence"
- Spanish Proverb

-Scott

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Christophillis
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USA
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Posted - 25 Feb 2002 :  18:39:52
I know this may sound a bit self-centered, but I think I'll ask it anyway... Coxy, Marchie, FireWire, since Coxy belives that we (skamen and I ) are inseperable (hope I spelled that right), if I submitted my "bio" too then would you guys and the rest of the Mod Squad consider giving skamen and I a double Moderator job for the Newton forums? I think that together we could handle the job twice as well as any single one person could. So all that I ask is that you guys give it some thought.

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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 25 Feb 2002 :  18:52:59
Since I couldn't figure out how to edit my last message here is a new one. Moderators, if you guys are ok with my last post, and it is ok with skamen, I thought that we could send our "contribution' in together. My thinking was this, if we could be mods together then we should share views and opinions. So the mod(s) of the Newton forum should just contribute together. Just an idea...

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Posted - 25 Feb 2002 :  20:22:10
I have no problem with a joint-page (no - not rolling paper!) as I shall be doing a few joint pages myself (for the sections that I co-mod)...


(to edit your post, first log in, then click on the document-with-a-pencil icon)

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48 Posts
Posted - 26 Feb 2002 :  06:03:52
What Christophillis said sounds good. We'll send the write up in soon. I would be glad to joint mod with him too.

-Scott

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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 26 Feb 2002 :  06:06:27
Ok I'll get with you skamen and we'll work on our mod sheet. Just kind of curious but does this mean we get the job? Or does this needed to be voted upon? As skamen said our thing will be in soon.

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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 26 Feb 2002 :  14:05:21
I would assume that this would not secure the position for us but would be a step in the right direction. A question for Firewire (or Coxy?) ; what specifically should I put in the writing? I don't want to write it up and then find out that I didn't do what was needed.

thanks

-Scott

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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 26 Feb 2002 :  16:11:13
yeah I was kinda wondering that myself. Here is what I have so far: a list of links and a short introduction about myself with what type of Newton I have and the different specs of the Newton types. Is this correct?

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Posted - 26 Feb 2002 :  18:07:01
Basically, yeah. An introduction to your forum, some writing on the basics of Newtons/OSs/history and stuff, some good links, etc.

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USA
688 Posts
Posted - 26 Feb 2002 :  18:26:40
Coxy you didn't answer the part of my previous messages, will skamen and I get a joint moderator part for sure? Or is there a waiting list?

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Posted - 26 Feb 2002 :  19:50:36
It's not just up to ~Coxy, but rather all the current mods (note: I'm not entirely happy with that particular setup, but it's what we've got at the moment)

Marchie's position: Each forum is supposed to have 2 mods. Skamen and Christophillis put in the requests, and submit the "proof" (the intro page) and thus you get it!

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USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  06:07:39
Thanks great! skamen and I are working on our page right now so we'll hand it in, in a bit.

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48 Posts
Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  14:33:07
Christophillis is going to email me his part. I will put that with the stuff I'm doing and send it to FireWire. I will work on it after I'm done writing this and I should have it done sometime tonight. I'll put the stuff together in Claris Homepage (68k Compatible too) and send it as HTML code to Firewire. Amazingly Claris Homepage still stands up as a great WYISWYG HTML editor for basic stuff even though it haven't been updated since 96' or 97'. Dan Knight of LowEnd Mac (www.lowendmac.com for the few of you that don't already know about it) actually does his entire site in Claris Homepage. Quite impressive. Thanks a lot for your support for Christophillis and I. We will do all we can to help the Newton forum and hope that we don't disappoint.

-Scott

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688 Posts
Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  15:51:24
skamen my part is sent to you. Once again thank you to you guys for your support and like skamen said I too hope we don't dissapoint you.

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Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  17:48:29
BTW, in case there's any confusion: if you get 'approved' you will become co-mods, but SuperMod will also regain control of the forum so the rest of us can keep an eye on you. Not that I expect any 'trouble', the worst you can do is delete all the Newton threads and I know you won't do something like that!

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USA
48 Posts
Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  18:24:31
I just emailed Christophillis' and mines write up to Firewire. So if we get approved and become Mods you said that SuperMod will remain in control too. I have no problem with that I'm just curious as to how it's going to work. Are you going to have three mods for the Newton Forum with Christophillis and myself as two of them and then SuperMod as the third?

again , thanks

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Australia
2822 Posts
Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  18:38:31
Yes, but SuperMod is a generic account any of us mods can log in to, (as is LoungeLizard.)

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USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  19:10:55
Ok Coxy that sounds quite reasonable.... but I am curious... why do you guys want to keep an eye on us? Can't you guys just go and visit the Newton forums? Oh wait... You just want to be able to have the ablility to still kind of "Mod from above". So you guys can still move, delete posts... ect...ect.. right? One final question... is it permanent? Or just until we "prove" ourselves (if we are excepted) as good mods?

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Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  20:16:09
I have the page right now...but of course I cannot speak on behalf of the rest of the mods...still need to get some feedback from them...

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Posted - 27 Feb 2002 :  21:44:43
I've given feedback, hopefully the others will soon and we'll have a vote or something...

Anyway, I don't actually think that you'll be all that busy here. Maybe you'll lock a topic sometimes about where to buy a PalmPilot or something.

BTW, it's a good starting page you got there.

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Posted - 28 Feb 2002 :  18:51:45
This is way off topic so it's is going to be locked and re-posted in here (Newton forum) and in 68k Software.

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