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Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 18:05:08 Ok, first off, there are people that will find this website funny, though it is sick, if anyone finds this funny, I dont want to hear about it in this thread. www.bonsaikitten.com apparantly this website was started by an MIT student, who was arrested and no charges could be made against him, because the photos on the site were computer generated. This may be so, but this website could inspire some sick bastard to perform this act of sheer torture on their animal. I am asking for help in crusading and petitioning congress or someone to take this site offline, and find anyone that has done this to their cat, get them arrested for animal cruelty, and make sure the asshole that made the site gets criminally charged as an accessory. I am currently writing a statement for petitiononline.com and will have an online petition going here. right now I am asking for full mobilization of troops to get rid of this site and its mirrors online. JT, this is in your neck of the woods, the area code for the bogus phone number is in a new york area code. the domain name bonsaikitten.com is registered through tucows.com, and the information from the whois is as follows: quote: Registrant: Bonsai Kitten, Inc. 826 Schermerhorn New York, NY 10027 US Domain name: BONSAIKITTEN.COM Administrative Contact: Chang, Dr. Michael Wong admin@bonsaikitten.com 826 Schermerhorn New York, NY 10027 US 212-662-7544 Technical Contact: Chang, Dr. Michael Wong admin@bonsaikitten.com 826 Schermerhorn New York, NY 10027 US 212-662-7544 there is a circulating email petition with 456 signatures, but the petitiononline site should be the way to go. thanks for all your support Clinton Crawford Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e Edited by - Clinton on 23 Feb 2003 01:54:54
FireWire is fast General, 4 star USA 1559 Posts	Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 18:09:30 You know he is protected by The Constitution...freedom of speech/press/religion/assembly... -------------------- master of the Quadra/Centris Stick of Justice™ and figure-head of the Peoples' PDS Republic --------------------
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 18:11:29 you forgot petition, firewire, the freedom of petition, and that is what I am doing, I am also planning on getting enough people riled up, that maybe he will take it off again. CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
foetoid Full Member USA 554 Posts	Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 18:36:46 seeing as it's not real it doesn't bother me, but i don't support it, espcecially since he used a G4 cube case in one of them!!!! that ruffled my feathers a lil... defiling a Mac!!!! oh well... But good luck with the petition. ________________ foetoid, that's (fee-toy-duh) http://www.foetoid.doesntexist.com
catsdorule Senior Member Canada 1627 Posts	Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 22:01:30 That is just horrific I don't care if it is computer generated it is just sick. -danny You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate 3134.0 ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 23:01:35 There's thousands of disgusting things on the web. Good luck trying to get any of it removed. Not only is there the right to free expression (in most countries), but if he was forced to remove it for legal reasons, then it could be posted again on a server located in a country that doesn't mind that sort of thing. So if he really wanted to he could still have the site up... somewhere. Don't take this personally Clinton, because there is nothing wrong with taking offense and feeling strongly about this sort of thing. I am not knocking that at all. However I find this sort of reaction very...what's the word I'm looking for? Well it's a silly reaction. It's like petitioning the makers of the Simpsons because Itchy and Scratchy are too violent, and kids might stick dynamite down each others throats. OK, so this particular site is not a cartoon, but you get the point? Supporting actual animal societies (RSPCA for example), stopping weapons from being brought to school, reduction of greenhouse gasses, save the whales, save the forests.... these are all good things to get into and support. Futile attempts to remove offensive web sites is...well...futile. However if you really want to get onto that soapbox, then there are a million and one child pornography sites you could start petitions for removal. that's my 2 cents Flash! PS. I don't think kittens should live in jars either. 68k ParaMedic
foetoid Full Member USA 554 Posts	Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 23:38:43 I think maybe I'm missing something here.... I don't understand what is so disturbing about it... But you know, my world that I live in is a very very decensitized one, so maybe that has a role to play. I didn't read any text I just saw images of a cat in different jars... on was a jar the other was the G4 Cube.... Now maybe I would've found what he had to say disturbing, but I don't know, I don't really feel like going back and looking at it... My other feeling toward it is that I know if I were to do something like that, I'd think it was hillarious. (don't kill me please!) Not the actual stuffing, but doing something up in Photoshop or what have you... There's been images of people squished up against stuff and it looks funny, to put my friend in a jar like that all squished and whatnot I think would look hillarious. Now like I said... or I think I did, I don't know where he's coming from so maybe he's messed up, I don't know, I didn't read anything, but you know, part of me wants to be like ya lets go after this guy just cuz I'm here with you guys, but another part of me is like, what's the big deal, from what I saw (which was very very little), it looked like he was just making a joke out of it. Basically it seemed like something that would make it on NewGrounds or something. Like I said, I don't know and like I'm going to say now, I'm incoherent right now.... it's 12:40 here in Indiana and I don't hardly sleep, so I'm exhausted... (have been since 5pm) and so I'm gonna stop babbling now.... sorry if I somehow offend someone with what I said above /\ ________________ foetoid, that's (fee-toy-duh) http://www.foetoid.doesntexist.com
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 00:13:15 OK, my new approach is to call up the New York Department of Animal Control, the ASPCA Animal Cops (the SPCA people that carry guns) and get this guy's real name and address, considering they are public records seeing as he has been arrested. After which, I am going to turn it over to PETA, and see if they start picketing his front yard/apartment lobby/dorm and throwing vile objects at him whenever he passes. Flash, it is not so much my taking offence, I am worried that someone may actually TRY putting a cat in a glass jar, with a tupe superglued up it's anus, and one down it's throat, and leave it there for months on end. It just makes me shudder to think of a cat going through that. It is just my humainiacness toward cats acting here. CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 03:26:01 quote: "I think maybe I'm missing something here...." "I didn't read any text I just saw images of a cat in different jars..." I think it's the step by step instructions for 'growing' a cat in a jar that Clinton is worried about. On the other hand...try typing "how to make a bomb" into a Google search. quote: Flash, it is not so much my taking offence... That's good, because I am only playing devils advocate here - not arguing, just debating. I actually agree with you in principle, however reality check it's unlikely that anything you do will get rid of the site - especially if the authorities have already tried, and failed, to prosecute. 68k ParaMedic edited coz i kant tipe or speel Edited by - Flash on 15 Feb 2003 03:28:49
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 10:09:26 I think he took out the worst of the pictures, because I didn't see any contorted cats and one said you had to e-Mail him to see it. That is pretty diabolical, though. He should be taken down just for drilling a hole in that Cube. It was such an innocent little thing. Why did it have to die? The Cube, I mean. You never know what kid might see that and start drilling holes in Macs! The Lightning Stalker Performa 631CD, 7.5.5 LC III, FPU, 20/80/enet, 7.5.5, Mail Server 6400/180 40/1.6G/512k L2/enet/video-in/TV 7600/120 '604/233, 80/1.2G & 1G/512k L2, 9.2.2 (Main Mac) Lady Smith Apples: Apple IIc 5.25" 2 Apple IIe
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 10:12:59 An afterthought: We could always send DoS attacks and runt packets!
shaktiman Senior Member United Kingdom 1226 Posts	Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 14:29:00 quote: You know he is protected by The Constitution...freedom of speech/press/religion/assembly... You know I think this is a very good point, if perhaps only half the story? Well we are free to say what we like, so I could say(hypothetically & this is not my view) that French people are all racist. I plucked that from nowhere & it has nothing to do with anything. The point is this, I am free to say it & you are free to ostricise me from your community for saying it. We all use the internet & we all can gain access to disturbing ideas. Our job in life, our role in life is to make this world a happier & more productive place to live. It can be a really diffcult problem, but we all urge you to not add notoriety to this or any other "sick" sites. Try to ignore them. One other thing you could do, if you really wish to be a "superhero" is you could spend all your time hunting down these "sick sites" & reporting them to as many socially concious organisations as possible & then overwhelming pressure will come about to rid us of these "sick sites" ((((((((((((((((((((((Clinton)))))))))))))))))))))))) shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1 , 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive Performa400(asleepintheattick)
~tl Junior Member United Kingdom 312 Posts	Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 14:48:06 tho there are many sick sites about ... but clinton is right ... its the possible implications of someone seeing this and trying it for real .... without realising it is fake ....well ...atleast if it is it should say that it is fake in BIG letters along the bottom of it Orcadian MLA Division 68ks Liberated: 2
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 21:32:51 all good points... I just think that if you don't like something, dont go there, submit the site to an internet block filter service Official 68k videographer
catsdorule Senior Member Canada 1627 Posts	Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 22:28:26 Nah I hate it when sites get blocked these forums were even blocked for a day in the category of "games" for a day. -danny You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate 3134.0 ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 19 Feb 2003 : 21:49:29 The guy is a sick jerk . . . just like the producers of "jackass" seem to be from the movie trailers. That crap is real and kids have died imitating it and there's no way to get that crap off the air when the FCC has rules regarding taste and irresponsible behavior. So, even being a cat person myself, a virtual cruelty website seems just a little bit silly as a choice for windmill tilting to me, but good luck wrecking this jerk's airfoil anyway, Clinton! GO GET'EM, COMRADE! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF p.s. I'd go after the banner ad servers from which he's trying to realize a revenue stream if I wanted to get any real results. Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 19 Feb 2003 21:51:09
alpaca2500 Junior Member USA 102 Posts	Posted - 21 Feb 2003 : 21:17:23 good lord. i'm sick and tired of people getting worked up over bonsai kitten. it's not real, end of arguement. now stfu. -- 3 Mac SEs, 1 Classic II, 1 LC, 1 LCIII, 1 Quadra 610, 1 Performa 630, 1 Quadra 630, 1 Performa 6200, 1 iMac DV 400
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 Feb 2003 : 21:30:22 wow... what odd little bug have you up your rear? someone has an opinion, and came HERE of all the places he could to talk about it, we should be honored that clinton chose to come to the MLA to talk about general junk... if you don't want to "hear" people talk about this bonsai thing... then you can stay out of this topic if you so wish... that's one of the great things about a forum, is you can choose, by the title of the topic and who has posted in it weather or not you want to read it.... just a thought... oter than that GO CLINTON!!!! YAH! Official 68k videographer
alpaca2500 Junior Member USA 102 Posts	Posted - 21 Feb 2003 : 21:57:46 quote: you can choose, by the title of the topic and who has posted in it weather or not you want to read it.... "please help me stop this sick bastard" isnt a topic that tells me that someone is complaining about bonsai kitten. maybe if the topic was 'i hate bonsai kitten and i dont think people should be able to put offensive things on the internet and i'm a narrowminded jerk' i wouldnt have clicked on the link. -- 3 Mac SEs, 1 Classic II, 1 LC, 1 LCIII, 1 Quadra 610, 1 Performa 630, 1 Quadra 630, 1 Performa 6200, 1 iMac DV 400
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 Feb 2003 : 22:11:41 well once you read it, there's a little thing you can use called your "discretion" weather you want to keep reading, or post in it... just another thought Official 68k videographer
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 22 Feb 2003 : 07:31:39 quote: quote: you can choose, by the title of the topic and who has posted in it weather or not you want to read it.... "please help me stop this sick bastard" isnt a topic that tells me that someone is complaining about bonsai kitten. maybe if the topic was 'i hate bonsai kitten and i dont think people should be able to put offensive things on the internet and i'm a narrowminded jerk' i wouldnt have clicked on the link. As a mod here, I wasn't crazy about the use of the term "sick bastard" and I decided to let it slide. But that "narrowminded jerk" comment of yours is something I find more bothersome, take it easy. Being "broadminded" is not always all it's cracked up to be and there are less confrontational ways to make your point, let's keep the discourse civil between comrades please. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 22 Feb 2003 : 10:12:20 gentlemen, to your corners please..... ding ding "round two" Remember, keep it below the belt. OK, now fight! 68k ParaMedic
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 22 Feb 2003 : 10:54:32 quote: gentlemen, to your corners please..... ding ding "round two" Remember, keep it below the belt. OK, now fight! savagely pummels flash about the head and shoulders with the NerfNoodleSillinessAttenuator(tm) dissapears without a trace jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Stryder Junior Member USA 382 Posts	Posted - 22 Feb 2003 : 11:19:00 quote: As a mod here, I wasn't crazy about the use of the term "sick bastard" and I decided to let it slide. But that "narrowminded jerk" comment of yours is something I find more bothersome, take it easy. Being "broadminded" is not always all it's cracked up to be and there are less confrontational ways to make your point, let's keep the discourse civil between comrades please. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF I agree with Trash here. Your responce doesn't really represent your veiw on the topic, but shows more of a personal attack towards Clinton. If you don't agree, state it and give your reasons as to why. If you didn't feel it was worth your while to read, then you could have easily hit the back button. There's no need or desire for hateful name-calling towards any members here for posting a topic they feel strongly about and choose to share with us in the "Lounge" for which it's for. "One slip and down the hole we fall" Stryders Community
alpaca2500 Junior Member USA 102 Posts	Posted - 24 Feb 2003 : 11:40:28 quote: Your responce doesn't really represent your veiw on the topic i think it clearly states that i think the bonsai kitten website, and other websites like it are inconsequential, and people who whine about them and want them removed from the internet are jerks. aren't those 'views' on the 'topic'? i dont think 68kmla is an appropriate forum for this kind of discussion, even in the 'lounge', i have been seeing similar complaints popping up all over the place, and now it's hit here too. i dont know what is wrong with people that they have to complain about things that have absolutely no effect on them, and to make it worse, think that everyone else should think the same way! -- 3 Mac SEs, 1 Classic II, 1 LC, 1 LCIII, 1 Quadra 610, 1 Performa 630, 1 Quadra 630, 1 Performa 6200, 1 iMac DV 400
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 24 Feb 2003 : 12:26:05 quote: quote: Your responce doesn't really represent your veiw on the topic i think it clearly states that i think the bonsai kitten website, and other websites like it are inconsequential . . . That's on topic . . . quote: . . . and people who whine about them and want them removed from the internet are jerks. aren't those 'views' on the 'topic'? . . . nope, personal attacks on the poster, even generalized attacks on those of like mind a/o the viewpoint expressed are inappropriate and OFF TOPIC! quote: i dont think 68kmla is an appropriate forum for this kind of discussion, even in the 'lounge', i have been seeing similar complaints popping up all over the place, and now it's hit here too. Dunno, seems like it fits the lounge, what do some other mods think? quote: i dont know what is wrong with people that they have to complain about things that have absolutely no effect on them, and to make it worse, think that everyone else should think the same way! I know what you mean . . . I feel exactly the same way, I don't know what's wrong with "enlightened" types who think free speech only applies to the people whose "broadminded" views agree with their own. Just how does reading a complaint about the bonsai kitten site affect you any more than the site itself affects the complainer? Your argument is inconsistent, you don't need to read the complaints and if you stumble upon them, it's the same as the complainers stumbling upon the b.k. site. This seems appropriate grist for a new topic thread, but in the context of this particular thread your criticism is too personal and the language is far to pejorative, IMHO personally, and IMO as a moderator on these boards. jt . Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 24 Feb 2003 12:30:51
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 24 Feb 2003 : 12:31:09 OK, Last time that I checked, the description of the Lounge was, and I quote quote: Talk about ANYTHING But keep it civil I believe that this thread falls under the category of ANYTHING, and thus is relavant to the lounge. If you are going to argue that I have not kept this civil, I will agree with you, up to a point. As you may or may not notice, I have removed the offencive word of "bastard" out of my subject heading, and thus have kept it civil. I am not slamming anyone on these forums, just merely pointing out something that I think is disgusting, cruel, and mentally sick. Another point is that last time I have checked, you are not forced to read and reply to every single thread in these forums. This is not a totalatarian government, and thus you have your freedom of choice: The choice to say "this Clinton asshole has a radical point of view that does not match my own, Whoops, BACK BUTTON." I am not holding an M16 to your head, threatening to turn it into raw hamburger if you do not agree with my point of view, so DON'T. Just leave quietly and nobody will think worse of you. Please, if anyone else finds this thread stupid, or if they do not agree with it, ethier post some constructive criticism, or simply save yourself some effort and DON'T POST ANYTHING!!! THIS THREAD WAS NOT INTENDED TO BEGIN A FLAME WAR!!!!! Now, back to the ringside commentary..... CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 24 Feb 2003 : 12:37:59 quote: OK, Last time that I checked, the description of the Lounge was, and I quote quote: Talk about ANYTHING But keep it civil I believe that this thread falls under the category of ANYTHING, and thus is relavant to the lounge. AYUP! quote: Please, if anyone else finds this thread stupid, or if they do not agree with it, ethier post some constructive criticism, or simply save yourself some effort and DON'T POST ANYTHING!!! "Quixotic" isn't QUITE the same as "stupid," but it's somewhere in that general vicinity! But I did try to help anyway! quote: THIS THREAD WAS NOT INTENDED TO BEGIN A FLAME WAR!!!!! LOL! It STARTED OUT a flame attack! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 24 Feb 2003 : 12:42:12 quote: quote: THIS THREAD WAS NOT INTENDED TO BEGIN A FLAME WAR!!!!! LOL! It STARTED OUT a flame attack! ....But not on any members of this forum. CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 24 Feb 2003 : 18:50:06 :ducks and hides: hmm..... "free speech" seems to be thus as such: 1)MIT student creates ModdedKitty 2)Clinton posts on MLA that he doesn't like ModdedKitty 3)Alpaca2500 doesn't agree and says so 4)Cory5412 states that Alpaca2500 neednt be where he doesn't want to be, instead of telling others to packup and leave 5)JT (using his SuperFreeSpeechPowers) that he doesn't think that an attack on the creator of this thread is needed.... 6)It is determined that, in fact this IS a topic for the lounge... 7)Clinton mentions that he didn't mean to make this a flame attack on any MLA members.... 8)Cory5412 makes this little recap post quote: i dont think 68kmla is an appropriate forum for this kind of discussion, even in the 'lounge', i have been seeing similar complaints popping up all over the place, and now it's hit here too Some people only visit the MLA, and this is where they post about EVERYTHING in their life... if you don't come here and pay attention to anything but 68k macs... that's fine but the people here, who might not be elsewhere are good people and willing to discuss other junk too... This may be not be true for everyone, especially, as you may know, JT and clinton.... but it's just another one of my long and winded "thoughts" yes, thoughts come in my mind that big and that fast... it's just the way I think... Official 68k videographer

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