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cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 13:44:56 Yay! My thirty-one dollar 30GB firewire hard drive arrived today! It's smaller and heavier than I expected...and until I can find a suitable match for the wacky PS/2-style power connector, I won't be able to use it! 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net Edited by - cinemafia on 11 Feb 2003 17:30:00
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 17:19:37 It would probably be a good idea to take a close look at the power requirements on the sticker. I have a tape drive with one of those funny power connectors and it takes a center-tapped ~18 VAC power source (9V x 2 connected in series). Talk about weird! I couldn't find a suitable power source for it and so I had to make my own from an air conditioner step-down transformer and a transformer from an old dictaphone. :-S The Lightning Stalker Performa 631CD, 7.5.5 LC III, FPU, 20/80/enet, 7.5.5, Mail Server 6400/180 40/1.6G/512k L2/enet/video-in/TV 7600/120 '604/233, 80/1.2G & 1G/512k L2, 9.2.2 (Main Mac) Lady Smith Apples: Apple IIc 5.25" 2 Apple IIe
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 17:29:18 Trouble is, there's no sticker...no markings of any kind, actually. Another member here has one of these Beyond Micro drives so I have to find the thread I first talked about it in and I think the info is there... 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 18:55:03 You might want to crack it open and see if there's any markings on the PCB, if there's no luck finding out any other way. If there's no transformer inside the case, then it's a fair bet that you'll be providing 12V and 5V DC. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
tmtomh Junior Member USA 172 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 20:29:42 quote: Trouble is, there's no sticker...no markings of any kind, actually. Another member here has one of these Beyond Micro drives so I have to find the thread I first talked about it in and I think the info is there... Cinemo! How quickly you forget! I have the same case, and the power supply is a Starking PA-215: http://triumphtech.com/p/ps/ps.htm 'course, the fact that it seems to be unavailable except as a wholesale part to Asian OEMs does present a slight problem. On the same subject, anybody happen to have an external SCSI drive in an APS case? If so, could you give me the specs on the PS/2 style power adapter that comes with it. I've got such a case with no PSU... TIA, Matt No rank Permanent 68k roommates: - "PowerMystic" Color Classic, 66MHz PPC601 card, full '040, 36/1.2G/enet, OS 8.1 - "Mystic" Color Classic, full '040, 36/700/enet, OS 8.1 - Q605 overclocked to 33MHz, full '040, 36/1.2G/enet, 8.1, Debian Woody
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 20:51:34 quote: . . . anybody happen to have an external SCSI drive in an APS case? If so, could you give me the specs on the PS/2 style power adapter that comes with it. I've got such a case with no PSU... I've got their PowerBook HDD enclosure with a connector that looks like an XT/AT keyboard jack, IIRC, what kind of drive do you mean? The other APS drive cases I have are internally powered. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 20:52:51 Sorry tmtomh, my mind has been mush lately. That adapter looks like a hard one to source...I guess I better start scouring! 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 22:11:42 When you crack it open, sometimes you can tell what voltage goes where by the way the components are situated. If the wires from the "PS/2" connector go right to the power connector on the drive inside, which they probably do, then it should relitively be a dead giveaway. If they're color coded, then yellow=12V, red=5V and black=ground. Otherwise, you go by their position on the drive power connector. The two middle wires are ground, the one on the right is 12V and the one on the left is 5V as you're looking at the back of the drive, label up. The power connector on the drive should look like this: ____ /****\ \|____\| There are better pictures on the web with the pinouts, though.
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 22:47:36 quote: When you crack it open, sometimes you can tell what voltage goes where by the way the components are situated. If the wires from the "PS/2" connector go right to the power connector on the drive inside, which they probably do, then it should relitively be a dead giveaway. GOOD CALL! It sure would be dumb to build an external drive with a lump-on-a-rope PSU and then need to do anything but pipe the proper voltages straight to the components! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 23:56:16 In a perfect world, JT, in a perfect world. I was once trying to get a LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge to work. Anyway, it used a PC keyboard-style DIN plug for power, although it only used one pair of pins for 9V AC power. Don't ask me why they went to the trouble of using a 9V ~ plugpack, either, since the first thing the internals did was to rectify that! Eventually we ripped apart an old modem to grab its DC input jack, and wired that up to an old keyboard plug. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 12 Feb 2003 : 08:47:30 Trash80toG-4: quote: GOOD CALL! It sure would be dumb to build an external drive with a lump-on-a-rope PSU and then need to do anything but pipe the proper voltages straight to the components! Thanks. ~Coxy: quote: Don't ask me why they went to the trouble of using a 9V ~ plugpack, either, since the first thing the internals did was to rectify that! Hehe, yeah. I've seen that before, too. The only thing I could figure is that they figured that if they were going to have to do the soldering for the rectifier, they might as well do it inside the bridge where they will have to do it anyway. Then there was the surplus of 5-pin-DIN connectors laying around when all the PC manufacturers all decided to go PS/2. :-S Probably the best power supply to use would be an old AT style PC power supply. You could Just cut off one of the old drive power connectors and solder on a cannibalized PS/2 connector from an old mouse when you find out the proper pinouts. That would give you a nice regulated 5 and 12 volt supply with all the current you would need. Some of the old AT power supplies even have the switch built right into the box(!) Big, ugly and bulky, but it's about the easiest thing I can think of that you could make from parts you might already have lying around. I hope this helps
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 12 Feb 2003 : 09:58:10 quote: Big, ugly and bulky, but it's about the easiest thing I can think of that you could make from parts you might already have lying around. Yeah...I've got all the parts to do just such a thing, but big ugly and bulky is the problem. I need to be able to carry this drive around with me! I may just end up using the 30GB hard drive that's in it in something else until I can find a power supply like that PA-215. 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 12 Feb 2003 : 16:19:11 Maybe you could put the FireWire bridge card and the IDE drive in an old SCSI enclosure and run the whole thing off the SCSI enclosure's PSU? P.S.: My 2001th post....that wasn't a bad year.... -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 12 Feb 2003 : 16:35:50 quote: Maybe you could put the FireWire bridge card and the IDE drive in an old SCSI enclosure and run the whole thing off the SCSI enclosure's PSU? Actually, i was thinking of doing that. I have a 2-device IDE internal cable that I could use to put two ATA drives in a SCSI case and run the firewire out the back! Though...I'd still rather have something portable. A 10lb. SCSI case aint... 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net Edited by - cinemafia on 12 Feb 2003 16:46:01
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 Feb 2003 : 20:13:49 quote: Maybe you could put the FireWire bridge card and the IDE drive in an old SCSI enclosure and run the whole thing off the SCSI enclosure's PSU? P.S.: My 2001th post....that wasn't a bad year.... -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 he had a good year!!!! stop the presses!!! Because everyone Loves the MacLover 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Official 68k videographer
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 13 Feb 2003 : 09:51:33 quote: Yeah...I've got all the parts to do just such a thing, but big ugly and bulky is the problem. I need to be able to carry this drive around with me! I may just end up using the 30GB hard drive that's in it in something else until I can find a power supply like that PA-215. Well, there is another way that would be more portable. What you could do is find a 12V laptop power supply (which would have enough current) and solder a LM7805 voltage regulator on the end that would give you the 5V supply - though I'm not sure how much 5V current the drive would draw.
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 24 Feb 2003 : 16:24:30 Okay, I got word back from the OEM, Beyond Micro, and they have been able to source a power supply for the drive. It's going to cost me $27 with shipping, putting my total to date at $58...but that's still pretty darn cheap for a 30GB external firewire drive. 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 24 Feb 2003 : 20:10:58 coolness! I'm happy here with the 60 GB of space on the Powerbook.. as I've never really had more than 2 GB available to myeslf in the form of "cory's stuff place" my PC once had a ten gigger... but I used like 6 of it just for programs and JUNK that windows wanted now the PB has so much I don't know what do do with it :P Official 68k videographer
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 04 Mar 2003 : 14:41:45 Today the StarKing PA-215 power supply I ordered direct from Beyond Micro arrived via FedEx...hooray! I opened it and set up my 30GB external drive with it and powered it on. It works! But wait, there's more. Not only does the drive work just fine, it turns out the guy I bought it from on eBay was a Mac user, too! The drive mounted on start up and has his iTunes library, with nearly 1200 songs in it, as well as copies of iMovie, Word X and a few dozen pics. I looked at some of the pics that he took of his dorm room and he/his roommate had/has a Snow CRT iMac and TiBook...wow...there's even a movie he did in iMovie of a trip to Mexico. I hate to just delete all this stuff...I feel like I almost know this guy now. I wonder if I should email him to see if he wants any of this stuff? Or maybe it was all just back ups anyway. Weird... Here's a pic I just took of the drive sitting next to my PowerBook (I put the white Apple sticker on there after removing the "Beyond Micro" logo). Oh yeah, and as for the 1200 mp3's, none of it is really music that I'm into, so I'm not gonna bother keeping it. 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net Edited by - cinemafia on 04 Mar 2003 14:48:26
~tl Junior Member United Kingdom 312 Posts	Posted - 04 Mar 2003 : 14:58:40 wow .... thats quite a find .... all that for $31 ... it looks really good next to your book Orcadian MLA Division 68ks Liberated: 2
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 04 Mar 2003 : 15:07:54 Yep. The power supply cost me $27, but that still puts the total under $60. Try finding another 30GB firewire hard drive for that little! And yeah, I love how it matches the TiBook. 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 04 Mar 2003 : 17:42:41 what kindo muzak is it? burn it to CD for me my collection needs augmenting :) great find, cinemo!!! CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 04 Mar 2003 : 18:15:43 Didja email the guy yet? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 04 Mar 2003 : 20:06:18 Yeah, they were backups so he doesn't need any of it. I reformatted the drive, but before I did I found a couple mp3's in there that I did like, like some Marvin Gaye, Al Green and Isaac Hayes. The rest of it was pretty much top 40, though, so it would be easy to appropriate otherwise. 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hardware Page: http://cineware.sytes.net

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