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gozer Starting Member Canada 10 Posts	Posted - 15 Jan 2003 : 22:07:47 i just got a PB150 that is up and running. it's running: system 7.5 built in memory: 8.192k total memory: 16.384k the problem is it has no floppy drive. i have a PB180 here that's doa but has a drive...is there any chance of tossing that in the 150? and how difficult would it be? thanks for the help....i've never used anything under OS 9 and i was wondering what i can do with this thing. relying a bit too heavily on alcohol and irony
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 15 Jan 2003 : 22:37:56 I think you can do a floppy swap, and it probably wouldn't hurt to try.... Underneath the 'Book there is a line of screws accross the centre, they undo the keyboard. Flip the book over and open the lid. You should be able to remove the keyboard by lifting it at the front and sorta sliding it towards you (don't pull too hard coz there is a cable connected) You'll see the floppy located top-right, and I think there's 3 screwws holding it in. Once you've removed the screws it's a bitch to wiggle the sucker out, but it can be done. There's a ribbon cable running between the floppy and the motherboard - all I can say is be careful with it cheers Flash! 68k ParaMedic
gozer Starting Member Canada 10 Posts	Posted - 15 Jan 2003 : 22:52:07 thanks...i'll giver a go in a day or two...will it recognize the drive automatically? relying a bit too heavily on alcohol and irony
Flash Full Member Australia 637 Posts	Posted - 16 Jan 2003 : 01:31:16 If it works, then it will recognise the drive OK. 68k ParaMedic
gozer Starting Member Canada 10 Posts	Posted - 16 Jan 2003 : 11:40:00 ok.... it was running fine last night. today i tried to turn it on and it played some weird musical thing and now won't turn on.... any clue? relying a bit too heavily on alcohol and irony
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 16 Jan 2003 : 17:54:26 You can't do a swap with the floppy drives, unfortunately. The PB150 drive is a newer manual inject mech, which is a different form factor, and is slimmer. The 180 drive, otoh, is a auto-inject drive, which is fatter. Hope this helps. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Brett B. Junior Member USA 105 Posts	Posted - 17 Jan 2003 : 21:45:59 i've seen this "inject" and "auto inject" stuff quite often.. what is the difference between the drives?
gozer Starting Member Canada 10 Posts	Posted - 18 Jan 2003 : 14:27:49 ok....thanks then. why is the 150 a more recent device then the 180? and how much would a floppy drive be for the 150? and a battery? relying a bit too heavily on alcohol and irony
gdogkzo Junior Member 147 Posts	Posted - 18 Jan 2003 : 14:48:04 Does your 180 work? and if not, did you try resetting it with the holes in the back? Also, See if the 180 screen works on the 150, it is an Active Screen and would look nice. Geoff
gozer Starting Member Canada 10 Posts	Posted - 20 Jan 2003 : 23:12:08 the 180 doesn't work. however i will try the screen. also the modem....the 150 is lacking one while the 180 has. thanks for the idea. relying a bit too heavily on alcohol and irony
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 20 Jan 2003 : 23:19:51 quote: i've seen this "inject" and "auto inject" stuff quite often.. what is the difference between the drives? difference being the auto inject will grab the disk out of your hand and suck it in. with manual, you push the disk in all the way. I personally like the auto-inject drives, better than the manual ones. CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 21 Jan 2003 : 07:07:17 almost all of the parts from the 150 and the 100 are completely incompatible with every other PowerBook... iDunno why... maybe it's that floppy thing... so is the 150 thinner than the 180? Official 68k videographer
davis3031 Starting Member USA 7 Posts	Posted - 22 Jan 2003 : 11:28:19 Actually, it was because the 150 was IDE (cheap) and the all the 1xx 1xx machines save for the 190 I believe were SCSI and as this includes the 180, they are not a match. This doesn't really pertain to the screen persay, however a 180 screen or top half will not work with the 150. What the 150 was good for was memory expansion, being expandable to 40mb whereas the 180 can only go to 14mb as with 180c, 165c, 165, and the 160. Because IDE is <b>cheap</b>, it is also possible to stick in as big as an IDE as you feel fit. All the other 1xx series (again not including the 190) are SCSI requiring 2.5" SCSI drives which are still expensive due to their uncommoness. One good source besides ebay is the lem-swap list run by low end mac and that list is for the buying and selling of anything mac. Check out http://www.lowendmac.com/ and click on e-mail lists on the right for a full list of all the e-mail lists there including one for all the mac model lines, clones, software stuff, apple machines and so on. Expect to pay $20 or so for a good 160mb or 320mb SCSI 2.5" drive, which is quite a sum of money for something of that vintage. Overall the 1xx machines are insanely easy to take apart, you'll be needing a Torx-10 and Torx-8 screwdriver (available at Sears) to dismantle them which have four screws on the bottom and one at the rear of the machine. Be careful when removing the display cable from it's socket when seperating the top from the bottom halves of the machine though so as not to bend the socket. Good luck with the 180, which by the way may have a blown fuse on the mobo requiring changing, you did say it wouldn't even chime didn't you? I would also suggest joining the powerbooks (not g-books) list at the lowendmac site and asking the people on the list (including myself) as there is usually someone who has encountered the problem before and can suggest a remedy. Sorry for the long post. Dave
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 22 Jan 2003 : 21:36:36 quote: What the 150 was good for was memory expansion, being expandable to 40mb whereas the 180 can only go to 14mb as with 180c, 165c, 165, and the 160. Yeah, but first you have to find the riser card and stuff so you can install the RAM, and the riser card is RARE!!!!!!!!! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
gozer Starting Member Canada 10 Posts	Posted - 26 Jan 2003 : 00:45:46 thank you all for the education. i'll let you know what happens. relying a bit too heavily on alcohol and irony
Alien Junior Member Netherlands 269 Posts	Posted - 26 Jan 2003 : 13:57:25 IIRC, The PowerBook 150 uses the same form-factor RAM card as the Duo series. Furthermore, all PowerBooks have manual inject floppies, so the drives may well be interchangeable between the 150 and the 180. Just try it, can't hurt. ,xtG .tsooJ -- RTFM
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 26 Jan 2003 : 18:06:33 that's the thing about older computers, usually it doesn't hurt... they were built well Official 68k videographer
gozer Starting Member Canada 10 Posts	Posted - 01 Feb 2003 : 12:57:34 quote: so is the 150 thinner than the 180? nope....almost exactly the same casing. relying a bit too heavily on alcohol and irony
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 02 Feb 2003 : 21:14:26 quote: IIRC, The PowerBook 150 uses the same form-factor RAM card as the Duo series. Furthermore, all PowerBooks have manual inject floppies, so the drives may well be interchangeable between the 150 and the 180. Just try it, can't hurt. 1. Yes, they do use Duo RAM. However, you need a riser adapter to make the card physically fit inside the computer. 2. Actually, the 100, 14x, 16x, 170 and 180 series machines all have auto-inject drives. They are electrically compatible with the manual-inject drive in the 150, but not physically. What i mean is that it will plug in and work properly, but the drive in the PB150 is slimmer, so it may not fit. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 03 Feb 2003 : 03:06:26 ahh... see so the floppy is slimmer, but apple makes up for that open room elsewhere? Official 68k videographer
Alien Junior Member Netherlands 269 Posts	Posted - 03 Feb 2003 : 03:52:07 quote: 2. Actually, the 100, 14x, 16x, 170 and 180 series machines all have auto-inject drives. Don't know about the others, but my PowerBook 100's floppy drive is definitely a manual-inject drive. Okay, went to the AppleSpec DB and looked it up, the 140 and 170 PowerBooks had auto-inject floppy drives, all the others are manual-inject. Not too sure about the PowerBook 100/Duo anymore, now... Haven't used it for the longest time. ,xtG .tsooJ -- RTFM
gdogkzo Junior Member 147 Posts	Posted - 05 Feb 2003 : 08:44:07 Gozer, try pressing the reset hole and holding down the power button at the same time. If it doesn't work try it again. It just fixed a 160 that I though was dead. Geoff
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 07 Feb 2003 : 23:35:54 might this have fixed the PB100? Official 68k videographer
gdogkzo Junior Member 147 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2003 : 13:34:42 I doubt it, ur PB100 turned on, this wont even do so much as that. Geoff
tmtomh Junior Member USA 172 Posts	Posted - 08 Feb 2003 : 15:56:32 quote: IIRC, The PowerBook 150 uses the same form-factor RAM card as the Duo series. The PB150 was essentially a Duo in a "regular" Powerbook case. It used what was basically a Duo motherboard. It lacked an ADB port (like the Duo), and it lacked the PB160/180's complement of two serial ports (it had only one, also like the Duo). In addition, its 2-bit video circuitry (as opposed to the 1-bit of the early PB1xx's or the 4-bit of the later PB1xx's) was based on the grayscale passive matrix Duo video circuitry. It also had the IDE hard drive, again derived from the later Duos and different from the other PB1xx series. It did have the full size PB1xx-style keyboard and trackball, and it did support PBxx-style internal modems. There's also all kinds of other weird stuff, like the IDE driver was in ROM, not on the disk. Matt No rank Permanent 68k roommates: - "Mystic" Color Classic, full '040, 36/700, OS 8.1 - Q605, full '040, 36/1.2G/enet, 8.1, Debian Woody - Q605 overclocked to 33MHz, full '040, 36/1.2G/enet, 7.6.1, NetBSD

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