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shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
 Posted - 29 Nov 2002 : 03:26:16
If I buy an 8100/100av Then what version of Netscape could I run?What version of the os, should I run. I am keen to get the 8100/100av in order to use it as a "workhorse" mainly along the lines of internet. I have chosen this machine to keep compatibility with my 840av. I intend to network the 2 together via an ethernet cable. I have a plan for my 840av to be used for tv viewing/recording & for graphics applications. Now moving on, does your computer(s) ever make you want to cry? I bought a new 840av, which is now working. I used my old 1.2 gig drive, but wanted the software from the drive(nav(newav)) supplied with the new 840av. I therefore copied the contents onto my 4.2 gig drive. The 4.2 gig drive has now ceased working as in my Quadra840av claims it needs formatting! I then tried to connect both my 1.2 gig & nav. The 840av will "see" only the nav if both are attached & I have tried altering termination but to no avail. So now I am stuck, unless I formatt my 4.2 gig drive & go through complicated swapping of drives. I need an external scsi case. I did see a lovley case & passed it up due to lack of funds. It had 4 bays, suitable for cd or hard drives, power in & throughport, scsi id changer. shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1
Powerbook Duo 280c, 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive
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llamaboy487
Full Member
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2002 : 22:18:57
hehe this is miles off topic but im glad youre the real shakitman and not "shakitmanmike" for a change  -------------
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shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2002 : 02:14:53
Yes it's big hugs for llamaboy as I too am very pleased that I am not "shaktimanmike".Thanks dana, that really was a very comprehensive answer. quote:
You could run any Netscapes, including 4.8, 6 and 7... (4.8 is quicker, but kinda
horrible). IE 5 will also run on it, and on pre-OSX machines always ran nicer for
me. Mozilla will also run, as well as Opera and iCab.
Is Netscape 4.8 the latest version? Is Opera good, I am very keen to use this. I don't understand what Mozilla is ie:- my Netscape uses Eudora for e-mail & the welcome message when you first configure says welcome to Mozzila, but I never bothered reading any further. Now you mention it here as though it were a browser, is it? I need to buy the 8100/100av for the sake of "compatability" with todays world. I still am not sure os 9 or os 8.6. shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1
Powerbook Duo 280c, 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive
Performa400(asleepintheattick) |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2002 : 05:07:33
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Oh btw - if anyone finds I'm spouting incorrect crap, please jump in and comment! things like the whole story on mozilla I'm not totally clear on, and try not to present it all as fact, but a kinda generalisation. :)dana Quadra 605 Obsessions
Cool, i'll start. You said that in OS 9, for the OS alone you need 64 megs. Incorrect. According to my experiences, OS 9 will run fine in 32, although you must have VM set to like 40 megs or so, and you'll probably only be able to run two small apps at once, say iCab and GrayAMP, and it will be SLOW. At 64, performance is a bit nicer, and you'll be able to run bigger apps. Of course though, you can never have too much RAM, so feel free to put in as much as your Mac and wallet permit.  -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5
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shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2002 : 15:49:07
Hey, Cheers for the reply.Please do generalise dana. If I wanted "the facts" or what was "deemed to be possible" then I would'nt be here! I have just dicovered that there are alot of cpu upgrades for macs. I may go for, I dont know what to go for. My workhorse machine will be a "800 form factor", but what from there? Shall I just go for an 8100/110? I am feeling a liking for os 8.6. Lol does anyone know to never buy an os system numbered 2 , 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ? Allways go for the 2.1,3.1,4.1,5.1,6.1,7.1,8.1,9.1,10.2? cos jaguar they took 2 attempts to get mosta the bugs out? lol but if you want an os the go 2.06(3.06 is equivilant & 1 in the same) tos on Atari st. It may have took em 6 tries but they got most of the bugs out & stability feels like a warm cosy quilt! PS: Anyone got a pc? anyone use thier pc to run gem? shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1
Powerbook Duo 280c, 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive
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bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
462 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2002 : 19:43:17
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I have just dicovered that there are alot of cpu upgrades for macs. I may go for, I dont know what to go for.My workhorse machine will be a "800 form factor", but what from there? Shall I just go for an 8100/110?
There are some pretty beefy upgrades available for Nubus powermacs... all the way up to (I think) a 500 mhz G4. I've got a 400 g3 in my 8100 and it makes a huge difference compared to the stock 601, however it still lags a true G3 by a large margin, and graphics speed is still crap. As always, RAM, RAM and more RAM should be the first step in your hot-rodding process. Definitely go for a 8100/100 or 110 rather than the 80, as the 80 has some issues which reduce its Nubus slot performance to below that of a Quadra. Good luck! Cheers!
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shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 03:56:29
Cheers bigsadhuI was more considering avoiding the av, as this is unnessascary & seems to cause problems with upgrades. The 8100/100av was my choice but I think I'll grab the extra 10 Mhz & go for a 8100/110. Top tip about avoidint the 8100/80. I dont see myself upgrading the cpu for quite a while, but nice to have the option there! Lol but my mind went crazy imagining what is possible, lol I thought a 2GHtz 8100/100av. If you use Germulator(emulator for Atari ST on pc platform) then the speed is 3/4 that of the pc, so a 2 GHtz pc Gemulator would run @ 1.5 GHtz, & most well behaved/programmed Gem programmes will run @ that speed. I dont know too much about the Softmac(Apple Mac emulator version of Gemulator on pc platform), as I could never get it to work, I allways got a floppy disk with a "?" Derrr! Now I'm going to play Wolfstien:-) shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1
Powerbook Duo 280c, 12 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive
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Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 04:12:11
The guy I bought my 9600 from a couple of years ago also had a maxed out 8100 AV. He had a G3 installed CPU upgrade without blocking any slots but it meant having one of the cards "floating free" in the case but it worked without any problems.
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 09:39:06
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the 80 has some issues which reduce its Nubus slot performance to below that of a Quadra.
Is this the same for the 7100/80av? I'm thinking about unloading all my old macs and stuff (well, it isn't my decision... PAF) if the 7100 isn't as good as i thought (compared to my q650), then it's going. _______________________
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Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 15:40:16
One thing I noticed when I had my 7100 is that a number of Nubus video cards require a ROM update to achieve reasonable performance on a PPC. Along with the 7100 I had a SuperMac Thunder 1360 with the photoshop accelerator, an excellent card, performance however was utter crap in the 7100. When Iooked in to this more I was told I would need a new ROM (it's not flashable), costing only 99 USD , for the same price I could buy a beige G3! I eventually sold the card to a guy with a Quadra though and as far as he's concerned it outsanding. Now that I think about it I think I should have kept it for the day I own an 840 AV, oh well...
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bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
462 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 16:23:27
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the 80 has some issues which reduce its Nubus slot performance to below that of a Quadra.
Is this the same for the 7100/80av? I'm thinking about unloading all my old macs and stuff (well, it isn't my decision... PAF) if the 7100 isn't as good as i thought (compared to my q650), then it's going.
I've never used a 7100, but from my reading they suffer from poor nubus performance also. This doesn't mean its not a decent machine in other respects though. quote:
The guy I bought my 9600 from a couple of years ago also had a maxed out 8100 AV. He had a G3 installed CPU upgrade without blocking any slots but it meant having one of the cards "floating free" in the case but it worked without any problems.
The G3 upgrade live in the PDS slot... the usual home of the AV card. Sonnet sell a pass-through kit which enable you to keep the AV, although I think its an extra, and not included with the upgrade cards. Cheers!
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Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 18:53:41
Now I remember. The pass through cable lets you use a PDS card but it sits where a nubus card would normlly go. However there is no need to sit the PDS card in the nubus slot once it's in the pass through cable if you have something to rest it on and a hole to pass any necessary cables through, or you could leave the lid off the case. I think he just cut a hole in his. The cable is an optional extra IIRC. Anyway I think all this is going a but OT!
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alcoa
Full Member
Albania
543 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 21:44:09
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Now I remember. The pass through cable lets you use a PDS card but it sits where a nubus card would normlly go. However there is no need to sit the PDS card in the nubus slot once it's in the pass through cable if you have something to rest it on and a hole to pass any necessary cables through, or you could leave the lid off the case. I think he just cut a hole in his. The cable is an optional extra IIRC. Anyway I think all this is going a but OT!
Adapters are NEVER off topic!  I'll wager that power and ground for the HPV or AV card are very likely provided by the NuBus connector, so it's probably a little bit more complicated than just finding a perch for the card, but still no big deal! http://www.sonnettech.com/imgs/imgs_prods/prodpics_lrg/vidadptr_lrg.jpg jt
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Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 02:22:00
I dunno, I imagine it gets everything it needs through the pass through cable. No reason to use two sources when one has all you need.Anyway adaptors are cool, I was looking for one the other day but I forgot what for and why, it was something cool though. I think my brain is either starting to rot or overload with random facts and misc computer stuff. I haven't given any computer tuition in ages, i need somewhere to unload and free up some brain space  Back to one of the original questions though, why run Netscape, it's web standards support is awful. Much as I hate to say it you might be better running IE, hopefully Opera and iCab can get up to speed soon. Having said that netscape i quite like Netscape 6 although i wouldn't put it anywhere near your 8100. It crawled on my 7100, I seem to remember it taking about an hour to install and longer to start up! Edited by - gothikon on 04 Dec 2002 02:25:11 |
alcoa
Full Member
Albania
543 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 05:11:56
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I dunno, I imagine it gets everything it needs through the pass through cable. No reason to use two sources when one has all you need.
There is usually a per-slot maximum power draw on expansion interfaces and that pass through cable is a flex circuit, which doesn't have the capacity of a more robust/direct connection. That ssid, you could very well be correct that they are only using the flex circuit, dunno, I'm just saying not to COUNT on it! jt
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Slomac636
Junior Member
USA
103 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 06:07:13
I'll just drop my 2 cents in here, personally I'd forget netscape (buggy, slow, and poor support of standards....) every time I use I get Java errors more than anything else. That drives me freakin' crazy cause it won't do anything else until you fix them. I use IE 4.0 on a 6400/180 and it works pretty well, IE 5.0 works okay too, but a little slower than 4.0. I'm looking at trying Opera or iCab, just haven't gotten around to it. As far as the drives, are they both SCSI or IDE or ??? I don't have any ideas there, althought I have 1 IDE and 1 SCSI drive in my machine, it has a separate SCSI and IDE bus. I haven't had any problems at all there.I hope that a helps a little... Macs Liberated: 9 - 6400/180 (main Mac), 660AV, 636CD, LCIII+, LCII (2), Classic II, Classic and SE. Yeah, I hate that friggin beach ball too... |
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