~The Penguin

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Who here likes using both Macs and PCs? I don't really find anything wrong with either platform as both have their advantages and disadvantages.

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jt ™.
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But most of the hardware in the PC world is of very low quality and it is very difficult to purchase quality hardware because everybody seems to confuse it with features and speed. (BTW - I measure quality by a sound design, durability, longevity, and support.)

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(BTW - I measure quality by a sound design, durability, longevity, and support.)

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jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF

I would have agreed with you about the OS part, but now that X is out, a whole new world is open. X is unlike most anything else seen in the common OS world.

I have seen a alienware setup running redhat, and it SCREAMS, however when dual booted in XP, the performance is lost again.

~The Penguin

"All Computers Suck"

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However, I own 7 PC's, nearly 30 Macs, 2 Apple IIGS's, and a C128. I don't really have a problem switching between any of them...they usually do what I want them to do, when I want it done.

I really like my current 200MHz Pentium PC, it's running .NET, the latest in direct NT decendants, and it's very stable, the OS, it runs AppleWorks 5, and it actually connects to the internet faster than my iMac does

The hardware of my PC is also meets everyone here's requirements, although it's in a stable desktop case, it has room for 6 slots of ISA and PCI, and 2 external 5 1/2" drives.

in my NOT so humble opinion, any NT based OS from Microsoft, is very stable, and often has lasted longer under more strenous operating conditions than what of my iMac, and THAT is pretty sad... to know that the winNT based machine will last longer

so, i generally under the opinion, that if NT Was on the Mac hardware and took advantage of the cool things we have, it would be the best ever

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you *can* get quality PC parts

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Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s

Apple had it right with the 9x00/Beige G3 era, IMO. The PSU's were fairly adequate, a good bit of storage, and at the time, they were screaming fast.

As for the quality PC parts thing, its all so hodge-podge(sp?) that finding good combanations are too much work for people. They simply accept the first thing they see and overlook quality/quantity.

IMO, Be was almost a perfect blend of apple style/killer OS, and ultimate hardware, its a shame they went under I really want a BeBox, but they are so darned expensive!

~The Penguin

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• The hardware is really really cool, and always has been, even as far back as the Apple 1 days, and right up to the PowerBook G4 I'm writing this on. Apple just kicks ass at taking the current 'cutting edge' and making it accessable to us end users. Look at a Lisa, or Quadra 950, or an XServe. Sure, they've had their bugs to work out (power supplies, crappy on-board video chips, etc.), but it's always evolving. I also like that, while there is an enormous amount of depth in terms of tinkering with the system (esp. under OS X), I never have to worry about IRQ conflicts, obscure, arcane drivers, etc. Except for SCSI, which falls under 'Black Magic', and doesn't count.


• I also love how Apple's hardware designs are really really cool to look at! Again, there have been some stinkers, but 9 out of 10 Mac's are better looking then nearly any WinTel systems I've ever seen. There are too many to list here, but the Color Classic, MacTV, Mac 128k, iMac, Flat-Panel iMac, and Duo laptops all spring to mind. Sure, some PC makers are finally getting the picture, but Apple's been crafting their products into industrial art since day one. Plus, there's always been a clear evolution of style with their product designs. You can look at a 'family tree' of Apple products from the last 20+ years, and easily see where each one built upon the innovations of the last. Put a Mac Plus down next to the newest eMac, and you can see the shared blood, both in terms of hardware and software/OS. Show me a PC maker that can claim the same.


• Finally, when all is said-and-done, my user experience with a Mac is soooooo much better then with a Windows PC. The community of Mac users (both 'real' and virtual) is so much more like a real family then it tends to be on the WinTel side. I'm not saying that all Windows users are rude trolls (far from it!), but Mac users tend to stick together. Hell, the very fact that I'm posting this message on a forum dedicated to helping other people continue enjoying their older Macintosh's is hard proof of what I'm saying. I tried for years, and I never found a community like this, centered around PC's. Case-in-point: How many virus's are set loose upon the PC-using masses, compared to Macs? In my experience, many (again, not all!) PC users have a 'me against the world' attitude, while Mac users (perhaps as a result of being marginalized by the 'mainstream' users for years) tend to look out for one another, and jump at the chance to help each other. Again, this forum is proof of this pattern.

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Plus, even if they are stable, they don't look as good, work as well (in terms of OS to person interface), and hinder working habits. Again, IMO.

~The Penguin

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