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~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 06:43:28 You may have noticed that ugly banner ad. I'm running it on a trial basis for a few weeks, if it gets decent cash then I'll be registering a few domains for .68k and stuff. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 06:59:37 It's worth putting up with the blinkers if they'll help fund the Forums and Website. BUT, I object to the "ALL HIGH-QUALITY TERM PAPERS" ad. I gather they're hosting this site, but students (and there are plenty on the Forum) should not be buying term papers from others, and we should not be encouraging them to do so. It's plain and simple CHEATING, and that's wrong. If I were teaching and discovered that a student of mine had purchased a term paper on the 'Net, I'd flunk him right there and then, and that would be just the beginning. I vote for the removal of those ads. /Mr Lynn The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn’t have a space program. --Larry Niven
danamania Official 68k Muse Australia 1193 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 07:01:27 quote: You may have noticed that ugly banner ad. As MrLynn said - the ethics of the whole term paper biz is a bit shonkers... but I have no problem with the size of those ads. tis all pretty unobtrusive... dana Quadra 605 Obsessions
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 07:30:22 quote: quote: You may have noticed that ugly banner ad. As MrLynn said - the ethics of the whole term paper biz is a bit shonkers... but I have no problem with the size of those ads. tis all pretty unobtrusive... What the maniac said . . . I'm torn about the whole term paper thing, I hate the idea of cheating in general, but I hate the idea of teachers too stupid to notice and an education system too entrenched to adapt even more. So I'm wondering which is the lesser of two evils and how to look at this in Darwinian terms. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 01 Nov 2002 07:33:01
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 07:41:24 quote: BUT, I object to the "ALL HIGH-QUALITY TERM PAPERS" ad. I gather they're hosting this site, but students (and there are plenty on the Forum) should not be buying term papers from others, and we should not be encouraging them to do so. It's plain and simple CHEATING, and that's wrong. Just to clarify, DueNow.com isn't affiliated with LiteratureClassics... LitClassics provides sample essays in good faith for research purposes, and does not condone plagiarism. I agree with you in theory, but a few practical considerations: 1) DueNow.com does pay slightly above the normal rates for their ads 2) Going with a large provider would lock us into a contract, and leave us with no control as to what ads actually show 3) We don't really have the traffic to show purely focused ads like MacAddict or someone else would ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
Da Penguin Senior Member USA 1094 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 08:22:04 I agree witht he others on basis, and heck, im one of those teens! So I have a question, if this DOES work, and it DOES bring in cash, can you then switch it to a more long-term contract with a bigger company? I see the ad size as perfect, yes I know its there, but it doesn't detract from the overall site very much at all. ~The Penguin \| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line \| \| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy \| \| 68k.torpedobird.com <-- Official Hotline Server \|
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 09:25:02 quote: I agree with you in theory, but a few practical considerations: 1) DueNow.com does pay slightly above the normal rates for their ads 2) Going with a large provider would lock us into a contract, and leave us with no control as to what ads actually show As to (1) Ye Olde Dope Peddler (© Tom Leherer) would probably pay a lot more, or maybe Ye Olde Porne Peddler, or Ye Hotte Compewter Mart, but would you run their ads? Sorry--I think that ethics should defeat 'practicality' every time. (2) You can always write in a provision to a contract to this effect: "We reserve the right to refuse to display and to delete any ad which in our judgment is in bad taste, inappropriate for our site, or which in our judgment supports, condones, encourages, or promotes unethical, immoral, or illegal activity." If the vendor does not agree, then find a different vendor. Contracts are records of agreements, can always be changed, and should never be accepted unless both parties agree to all the terms. I would never sign a contract that obligated me to run ads over which I had no control, even if they were offensive or illegal. I'm glad to hear that 'Literature Classics' does not 'condone' plagiarism, but I must say their activity looks pretty suspicious. Who knows what people do with papers they have downloaded ostensibly for 'research'? The Encyclopedia Brittanica, Google, and thousands of other sites (including universities and libraries!) are research facilities. LitClassics doesn't look like one to me. /Mr Lynn The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn’t have a space program. --Larry Niven Edited by - mrlynn on 01 Nov 2002 09:26:51
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 10:16:16 quote: I'm glad to hear that 'Literature Classics' does not 'condone' plagiarism, but I must say their activity looks pretty suspicious. Who knows what people do with papers they have downloaded ostensibly for 'research'? The Encyclopedia Brittanica, Google, and thousands of other sites (including universities and libraries!) are research facilities. LitClassics doesn't look like one to me. ISTR that there was a fine line between using any kind of secondary source research material as a resource and plagiarism. Buying "** Notes" or even a paper or two "for research" could easily be defended as long as the final product's content really was original. Most of the kids using these services are undoubtedly not that sophisitcated or ethical, but should B&N stop selling "*** Notes" too? I'm not giving you a hard time, ML, I find this an interesting ethical question. I don't think it's necessarily as single bit a color table issue as you're painting it! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Stryder Junior Member USA 382 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 12:12:44 quote: I don't think it's necessarily as single bit a color table issue as you're painting it! I do have to agree with that. There are too many variables. Suppose you were a tutor and you offered up an old essay for comparison and/or structure. Ethically speaking, as the tutor, you did a good thing and what the student does after that, you may never know. Sites and people that offer them out for sale aren't doing it for any other reason than the quick buck, that's true. I personally wouldn't condone that by itself. On the other hand, I don't see the problem with things like Cliff Notes because that is a well enough known item to the teachers and professors where they should be able to catch plagiarism. IMHO, it hurts the student more if they use the Cliff notes by themselves anyways. It takes away from their own ability to write a paper full of content. They make a better tool in terms of highlighting areas to key the memory after reading the book. In the end, the ones it really hurts are those that used the fake papers. When they need to be able to write on their own later in life, they'll have forgotten what little they knew and be unable to perform whats expected of them. "One slip and down the hole we fall" Styder's Community, a neighborhood for all: http://www22.brinkster.com/originalstryder/db/ Edited by - stryder on 01 Nov 2002 12:15:20
catsdorule Senior Member Canada 1627 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 13:30:02 Could we maybe put the advertisement on the bottom? -danny ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 13:40:25 quote: Could we maybe put the advertisement on the bottom? Almost certainly not . . . and for exactly the same reasons you probably suggested it! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 14:03:39 if I am thinking correctly, the Ad banner we are talking about is on the forums page, right? is it possible that we could put it at the VERY top, above the 68kmla logo, and login boxen, etc. just me 33,773 Turkish Liras CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Quadra 650, and a Quadra 660AV Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, and a PM 8600/300 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 14:21:16 quote: Could we maybe put the advertisement on the bottom? -danny ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3 Yeah. Thats what i was thinking -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Marchie Chaplain USA 911 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 16:01:11 Umm... what's the contract like? If we all click through and spend 10 minutes at their site all looking to see how "ethical" the place is, will we get enough money to possibly change from them to another company? ~Marchie ~Chaplain Marchie Admin of The WonderLAN ~~"We are all Mad here"~~
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 17:48:50 Kill the stupid@$$ flashing link winner banners, they set off my migraine. Doesn't your contract let you choose what ads you can put on your site? if you can, kill the ones that look like messageboxes, or have fake pulldown lists in them. It kills the entire thing! oi, sorry, it is just that flashing banners like that STUPID WINNER LINK banner really give ne headaches. CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Quadra 650, and a Quadra 660AV Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, and a PM 8600/300 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 20:12:20 So what banner blocking software should I install? jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Master of Puppets Starting Member 32 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 20:58:32 All you have to do is make a hosts file, and set the ip of the ad server to 127.0.0.1 ;)
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 02 Nov 2002 : 12:55:41 well, banner ads don't really bother me. I'm probably just used to them from seeing them all of the time. _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLine:scchicago.homeip.net Website:http://scchicago.homeip.net Forum: http://scchicago.homeip.net/forum
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 03 Nov 2002 : 03:05:30 quote: So what banner blocking software should I install? Dunno what there is for X. WebFree works in OS 9 though. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 03 Nov 2002 : 18:07:58 From my friend the webmaster: For the first half of the month (until the 15th), mainly DueNow.com banners will show. These are pay per click (20c per click from a unique visitor, where a unique visitor can't have visited within 24 hours), so clicking is essential... however, remember that people actually have to click IN to the site (click on the banner and then click on 'Enter DueNow.com'). From 15th onwards, there will be no DueNow.com banners and generally only pay per view ones--this is the phase we'll be interested in seeing. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
Stryder Junior Member USA 382 Posts	Posted - 03 Nov 2002 : 19:22:58 I have to say I rather like the Lowes ad. Now we have a source for those dueling Estwings. "One slip and down the hole we fall" Styder's Community, a neighborhood for all: http://www22.brinkster.com/originalstryder/db/ Edited by - stryder on 03 Nov 2002 19:25:33
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 04 Nov 2002 : 00:18:30 quote: From my friend the webmaster: For the first half of the month (until the 15th), mainly DueNow.com banners will show. These are pay per click (20c per click from a unique visitor, where a unique visitor can't have visited within 24 hours), so clicking is essential... however, remember that people actually have to click IN to the site (click on the banner and then click on 'Enter DueNow.com'). From 15th onwards, there will be no DueNow.com banners and generally only pay per view ones--this is the phase we'll be interested in seeing. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0 Great. I followed the instructions. Didn't do anything, just clicked the ad, and then Enter DueNow.com. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Captain Z Mobile Ops Commander USA 637 Posts	Posted - 04 Nov 2002 : 01:36:31 I say we all do our part to help, by going through these instructions every day. I know I will! ------------------ Captain Z - Mobile Operations Commander 68K Macintosh Liberation Army 23 68K Macs Liberated Visit Captain Z's Starbase of EV Stuff
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 04 Nov 2002 : 01:57:44 Thanks, we've made 40 cents already... ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 04 Nov 2002 : 03:59:10 Make that 60. I'll do it twice a day, for the record. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Captain Z Mobile Ops Commander USA 637 Posts	Posted - 04 Nov 2002 : 14:36:41 Not quite... quote: 20c per click from a unique visitor, where a unique visitor can't have visited within 24 hours If everyone goes through these instructions every other day, then it will work, but otherwise we get screwed. ------------------ Captain Z - Mobile Operations Commander 68K Macintosh Liberation Army 23 68K Macs Liberated Visit Captain Z's Starbase of EV Stuff
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 04 Nov 2002 : 14:45:53 Dhammnit. Oh well. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6

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