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llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 19:17:56 i have an SE that, as soon as the tech department gives me the go-ahead to take it, will be mine... its on my bible teacher's bookself. (correction: its an SE FDHD with the superdrive) He told me i could hook it up and check it out today, so i went in and hooked up the power cord and the mouse (there is no keyboard) and to my amazing surprise (for its been on its side on said shelf for quite a while) IT BOOTED but i got the disk/question mark thing. so the question is: how do i install Mac OS (probably 6 or 7; theyre free) on this computer using HFV Explorer on my windows computer? and what version of the os runs best on an SE FDHD? thanks a lot my fellow soldiers ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee Owner of the 68kmla's sole Performa 578 Edited by - llamaboy487 on 29 Oct 2002 19:42:13
catsdorule Senior Member Canada 1627 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 19:57:41 Version 7.0.1 will run fine but if you want the extra speed go with 6.0.8. For installing from windows, i'm not too shure... -danny ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3 Edited by - catsdorule on 29 Oct 2002 19:58:06
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 20:04:57 im pretty sure ill be going with 6.0.8 as the OS... but how do i make a bootdisk? does anybody want to email me disk images of the install disks for 6.0.8? if they could id be much abliged ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee 68k Macs Liberated: 1
alpaca2500 Junior Member USA 102 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 20:11:14 quote: im pretty sure ill be going with 6.0.8 as the OS... but how do i make a bootdisk? does anybody want to email me disk images of the install disks for 6.0.8? if they could id be much abliged you can get the disk images directly from apple...Older_System -- Performa 630 LCIII SE edit: widescreen mode fixed, long url embedded jt Edited by - supermod on 01 Nov 2002 22:30:56
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 20:11:25 The disk images of 6.0.8 are free from Apple's FTP site: System_6.0.x They should be writable to disk on a PC with a program that can write raw disk images (like rawrite.exe for DOS). Unstuff them, then write the images to disks. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3 edit: fixed another long url jt Edited by - supermod on 01 Nov 2002 22:33:31
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 20:35:44 oohhhhhhh! I remember doing that when i first started using BasiliskII! man, that was a long time ago! hmm, oh yeah! i never made the bootable floppy because i already had a ledgit install CD! _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLine:scchicago.homeip.net Website:http://scchicago.homeip.net Forum: http://scchicago.homeip.net/forum
II2II Junior Member Canada 115 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 20:36:49 You need a Mac to decompress those files and disk copy 4.2 images have a small header which must be removed. I think that kegs comes with a utility to handle the latter. The former, I do not know how to solve. II2II Intelligence officer in training.
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 20:47:38 quote: You need a Mac to decompress those files Four words: Stuffit Expander for Windoze Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 04:17:30 quote: quote: You need a Mac to decompress those files Four words: Stuffit Expander for Windoze Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3 http://www.aladdinsys.com -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
II2II Junior Member Canada 115 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 10:14:13 quote: Four words: Stuffit Expander for Windoze Come to think of it, it is conceivable since you can decompress some SEA files in OS X (without the Classic environment). I was simply thinking of them as Macintosh executables, which they are. II2II Intelligence officer in training.
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 12:17:49 Are you guys telling saying that he can boot the SE from a PC-formatted disk? I don't think so. llamaboy, if you are getting a blinking question mark at boot-up, then there is likely something wrong with the hard drive. Can you hear it spin up? If the drive hasn't been used in a long time, it may have a stiction problem, which sometimes can be solved by letting the machine run for a few hours, then turning off and restarting (use the plastic restart button on the side if there is one); if you still get the question mark, restart and give the SE a good smart slap on the side as it's starting. Repeat a few times if necessary. Of course, if the drive does spin up, then you may have a corrupted System, in which case go ahead and reinstall. But you will need Mac-formatted disks. /Mr Lynn The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn�t have a space program. --Larry Niven
II2II Junior Member Canada 115 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 12:36:29 quote: Are you guys telling saying that he can boot the SE from a PC-formatted disk? Certainly not! But I think the procedure would be: - Download desired version of the system software from Apple. (Make sure you grab the high density disk images.) - Decode and decompress the disk images with StuffIt (Which, apparently, can handle Macintosh SEA files.) - Hope that it came as dc4 images. Strip dc4 header. (Kegs32 should include a utility for this.) - Use rawrite.exe to copy that disk image onto a floppy. (And voila, a Macintosh formatted install disk.) II2II Intelligence officer in training.
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 14:43:43 if the images that are downloaded are Disk Copy images, google around for gemul8r explorer, which allows you to write Mac disk images to PC disks. makes it a lot easier than downloading images, stripping the header, and rawriting to the disk. CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Quadra 650, and a Quadra 660AV Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, and a PM 8600/300 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 14:44:45 See, if I didn't have to worry about Apple Legal, I would have uploaded 6.0.8 as a self-writing PC disk image so Windoze users could put an OS on their Mac. D@MN YOU APPLE LEGAL! Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 14:46:25 See also http://www.macdrivermuseum.com/pc2mac.html Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 20:13:47 ok: the hd does spin up; so i think either the system is corrupted or my schools tech dept. took off the os (theyve done dumber things before) so i have the two 1.4 meg 6.0.8 install disks as .sea's... i've unstuffed them on 7.5.5 (basilisk) BUT they dont have a suffix... one file is titled "System Startup" and one "System Additions"... any clues? ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee 68k Macs Liberated: 2 Edited by - llamaboy487 on 30 Oct 2002 20:27:01
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 20:22:37 oh and kegs32 didnt come with the editing utility... are dc4 images .image files? ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee 68k Macs Liberated: 2
Marchie Chaplain USA 911 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 20:38:57 They are disk images you can use with Disk Copy. email me your address, and I can mail you the HD floppies needed. There is a CHANCE and disk you or anyone else makes won't work, depending on how out of shift the floppy heads have gone. In that case... well.. there are things we can do. ~Marchie marchie@mac.com
II2II Junior Member Canada 115 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 21:11:48 You can try WinImage (http://www.winimage.com/) at this point, as somebody else suggested. If your emulator can write to the floppy drive, you can also use DiskCopy. If you want to make life really complicated, try chopping off the first 84 bytes of the file as I suggested (easy under Unix, but not under Windows). Here are the file specifications for dc4: http://www.gno.org/pub/apple2/doc/apple/filetypes/ftn.e0.0005 II2II Intelligence officer in training.
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 30 Oct 2002 : 21:23:14 I GOT IT DONE using basilisk II and 7.5.5 to unstuf, gemul8r explorer to write, and my SE FDHD (aka "Lazarus") to install! it doesnt realize it has a hard drive... i installed onto a floppy but i can use it as a boot disk so who cares ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee 68k Macs Liberated: 2
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 00:09:36 w00t! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 05:57:29 quote: it doesnt realize it has a hard drive I assume you've tried initializing it with HD/SC Setup. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 12:42:07 Interesting! I'm woefully out-of-date (not the first time I've heard that!); hadn't heard of: rawrite.exe Basilisk II Kegs32 gemul8r explorer WinImage etc., etc. Any information about those would be welcome. I occasionally need to get a PC file into a Mac (which I can do via the Internet, or by sneaker-net to our Performa 5215), but it would be nice to have other options. /Mr Lynn The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn�t have a space program. --Larry Niven
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 12:44:23 PS Is there some reason why the Forum pages are running off the screen? They didn't until yesterday. /Mr Lynn
II2II Junior Member Canada 115 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 17:00:58 rawrite.exe - MS-DOS utility which writes raw disk images to floppies. It is usually used to make Linux boot floppies. Basilisk II - A 680x0 Macintosh emulator. Kegs32 - An Apple IIgs emulator. The Unix version has utilities to create and convert disk images into a format suitable for kegs (ie. raw disk images). WinImage - A utility which handles disk images in the Window environment. quote: it would be nice to have other options. The techniques discussed in this thread are most useful for disk images rather than individual files. II2II Intelligence officer in training.
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 20:27:12 yes i tried initializing the hd with hd/sc but it still didnt work... provided when i found this mac it was sideways on a bookshelf so it might not actually have a hard drive but thats ok floppies work fine for me, i have a 20-pack of blank ones ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee 68k Macs Liberated: 2
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 21:05:57 quote: ok: the hd does spin up; so i think either the system is corrupted or my schools tech dept. took off the os (theyve done dumber things before) quote: when i found this mac it was sideways on a bookshelf so it might not actually have a hard drive I'm confused. Does the SE have a hard drive or not (and if not, how does it spin up)? Is there an HD light in front, where the second floppy drive would be? Does it work? When you boot up from the floppy and run Drive Setup, does Setup see a drive at all? If not, have you tried a copy of Norton Disk Doctor, Silverlining, or other HD utilities? Of course there is one sure way to find out: take off the case. There are thread describing how to do this in the compact-mac forum (below); be sure to pay great attention to the WARNINGS about the danger of electrocution from the CRT, and instructions how to discharge it. /Mr Lynn The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn�t have a space program. --Larry Niven
boredomconquersall Full Member Canada 613 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 21:59:45 this would be a lot easier if you had another 68K mac.... ThNXNXX "CLEAN YOUR ROOM, D**MIT!!" and remember, if you try and install mac OS 10.2 on an early G3, you will go insane, and aquire a thirst for blood!
boredomconquersall Full Member Canada 613 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 22:08:50 Blah. is it? and remember, if you try and install mac OS 10.2 on an early G3, you will go insane, and aquire a thirst for blood!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 22:54:24 My SEfdhd has a HDD... it's the original 20megger, it still works, it's loud and it's HUGE but it works . I think that i DLd the images, transferred them to my IIsi (over ethernet, but in emulation, you could probably DL them straight from 7.5 IN the emulator (assuming internet works from in there)) then i wrote the images with diskcopy :) i have a floppy port powered external SCSI hdd... it was a fun disection (the case) on a bored day... some relief space for if siSTATION ever becomes a server, or just for when i have more RAM and OS 7.0.1 in my SE Official 68k videographer
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 31 Oct 2002 : 23:08:01 quote: this would be a lot easier if you had another 68K mac.... ThNXNXX "CLEAN YOUR ROOM, D**MIT!!" and remember, if you try and install mac OS 10.2 on an early G3, you will go insane, and aquire a thirst for blood! He does. Remember the Performa 578? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 21:52:25 theres an hd light instead of a second disk drive, and i can hear it spin up, so yep theres an hd in there... i think somethings screwed up internally with the scsi cables or something... i dont really care im content to trade floppies (my imac is for the real work) and the performa 578 is downstairs at the moment... my little sister has been playing some of my vintage disney interactive games on it ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee 68k Macs Liberated: 2
Godfather Starting Member Israel 23 Posts	Posted - 25 Nov 2002 : 11:24:51 All is good and nice....BUT....what if there is no FDHD on the SE ?? What if you got a PeeCee and a 800K floopy SE + Hard drive ? Maybe external drive is the way to boot ? Give your opinions about it. The Godfather. ------------------------------------------------ Quadra 630,Quadra 605, IIsi, Performa 400. Need I say more ?

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