I'm going to be sending an 8100 to Clinton. We'll be starting off with 2GB of space available, so no one is getting much.

I'd like to start with email service. I'm checking out POP servers that are Mac-worthy right now. It has to allow authenticated POP for starters.

Might add basic Webpage capabilities, but again, space is limited.

The integration process is my biggest concern... It'll SUCK if we have to do each account by hand in the web services, AND email, AND whatever else.

I'd like to hold off on the "iFloppy" for now, or whatever we'll call it. I'm reading my AppleScript book trying to see what I can do...

In some respects I think A/UX servers would be ALOT easier to maintain since it can all be done remotely by different people, via a command line and it's FAR more scriptable. That would also allow us to use Sendmail, which has no equal on the Mac. And a Quadra 950 running A/UX is frankly a zippy little UNIX server, and it NOT going to have a huge load on it for what we're doing.

But we will begin with this one server. From there, I'm still designing the regional distribution system, and we'll see what we can come up with.

Comments? Concerns? suggestions?

~Marchie

more coming........
CCC

It has an integrated POP v3 and SMTP server, so we'll see how well they work.

It has an integrated print server, which I knew... maybe one of the "sub" servers can have an integrated print-to-PDF-file server, for printing from a 68k Mac into a PDF file. That'd be rather neat.

~Marchie

My DSL connection DOES have a crappy UL speed (around 10k) and so any heavy serving is off limits. However mail and such is perfectly possible.

~The Penguin

I feel that I should also install timbucktoo or some sort of VNC software so that other administrators can administer the servers in case I am incapacatated, or am offline somewhere.

any further suggestions?
CCC

Secondly, AppleShare doesn't deal with Virtual Private Networks well (or at all). With A/UX we have SSH connections, and UUCP (the building block of TCP/IP). Then you have Sendmail, Apache, and an entire system of remote administration tools far more powerful than Apple's remost Desktop, or Timbuktu, without the GUI information to bog down the bandwdith.

The speed difference referred to between PPC chips and 68k is questionable. Under many situation, especially those of higher load, the first generation PPC chips run slower than high end 68k boxes (read: Quadra 900/950, others with enough RAM).

I'm not saying for a moment that AppleShare IP is not viable, or inappropriate. In fact, It's VERY appropriate, since I think Appletalk is the only protocol we can really use for serving iFloppies, without having to write our own client software, and that really defeats some of the point here.

And I'll take a look at SilverHTTP.

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With A/UX we have SSH connections

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~The Penguin

Also i just found this little app on versiontracker called henwen. For whoever hosts stuff, check this app out (for osx) it seems really really interesting. i haven't had a chance to play with it much though. I'll quote it's description:

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HenWen is a network security package for Mac OS X that makes it easy to configure and run Snort, a free Network Intrusion Detection System (NIDS). HenWen's goal is to simplify setting up and maintaining software that will scan network traffic for undesirable traffic a firewall may not block. Everything you need to have is bundled in; there is no compiling or command line use necessary.

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thanx
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In some respects I think A/UX servers would be ALOT easier to maintain since it can all be done remotely by different people, via a command line and it's FAR more scriptable. That would also allow us to use Sendmail, which has no equal on the Mac. And a Quadra 950 running A/UX is frankly a zippy little UNIX server, and it NOT going to have a huge load on it for what we're doing.

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NetBSD 1.3 is reasonably modern and will work well on a 680x0 system. It may also be possible to use netatalk for file sharing, in addition to the slightly more standard ftp protocol. iFloppies would work too since every user can access their home directory via netatalk. It is possible to develop the web services via cgi scripting.

But the netatalk is only a maybe. While it works wonderfully on a LAN, I have never tried it over IP. For that, we'll have to read the docs.

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NetBSD 1.3 is reasonably modern and will work well on a 680x0 system.

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What's wrong with 1.6, the latest version?

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CCC

Clinton and I are buried in work and .68k Server Alpha isn't ready yet.

We're still shooting for a pre-2003 Go Live date for mail and net storage.

~Marchie

anyway, just a constructive thing to think of
CCC

I have a few concerns however:

1) I would like (and Clinton has said the same above) to keep all servers running only legit copies of software.

2) The forums over there are VERY unfriendly to 68k computers, both in depth of colours, the php based system, width of pages, etc.

3) I'm not sure that .68k needs that much depth of forum, with these forums sitting here quite nicely, which we can add a .68kinfo forum to, or that we want to pull away from these, thus splitting the community.

4) I'd be interested in any concerns or ideas ANYONE has for both .68k and the website in general. Being the mod of this particular forum, I'd like input on all those kinds of matters.

~Marchie

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I respect the work of the proto-.68k forums and such. they are definatly giving me ideas about how to go about things.

I have a few concerns however:

1) I would like (and Clinton has said the same above) to keep all servers running only legit copies of software.

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I also totally agree with IISII about the problems with keeping A/UX up to date and secure which I think should be enough to rule it out altogether.

Finally I can't remember who but someone was looking for a G3 board. I still have a PTP board available (basically a 9500) 30 USD 40 with case and PS although shipping the case may not be cost effective. However i would be looking out for an iMac with dead video. Everything you need built in, cheap easily available parts, very small and iMacs with dead video are easy to hack and hook up to an external monitor. You could then run OS X, QE et al isn't an issue and you have, the power of unix!

About distribution what about the issue of centralised passwords and usernames? If the server containing these goes down no one could log in to any of the services even if their own servers were running. Are you going to sync the usernames and passwords between servers at regular intervals or something?

Finally is there going to be an Australian arm of .68k?

1) The website is temporarally like it is, it will not stay like that, we are currently working on redesigns about every week and a half

2) The forums look like they do, because that is phpBB2's default look, and we just have not changed it yet.

3) The reason that we have a large depth of forum on the .68k site, is because the .68k service will be offered not only to members of the 68kmla, but members of the general public that do not wish to join the MLA, though at a different price bracket.

4) We will not be using A/UX

5) This service will not launch to the public at all until the spring of 2003, and that will more than likely be a public beta.

6) We will be running ASIP 5, which is the legal version of the AppleShare IP software that we own.

7) we are working out a mirroring solution so that we have 5 or more servers that replicate with each other

if there is anything else that you need me to clear up, let me know
CCC

I once called up to find a quote for it, it was at least 1,400 dollars.

So that is out of here unless the would donate it. But I doubt it.

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