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what is your favorite Pre-G4 apple prouduct?

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boredomconquersall Full Member Canada 613 Posts	Posted - 16 Oct 2002 : 18:08:23 well? see title! mine would have to be the newton messagepad 100, because it was sleek, lightweight, and it just plain looked better than the other messagepads. THnX "not just one virus.... about 6 or 7." and remember, if you try and install mac OS 10.2 on an early G3, you will go insane, and aquire a thirst for blood!
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 16 Oct 2002 : 19:18:41 Probably the LC III or the G3 iMac - these were the only consumer Mac models I can think of that weren't really limited. All the others were somehow handicapped - RAM-based video, running a chip on a bus not intended for it (LC, LC II, 5xxx-6xxx), using limited SCSI and/or IDE controllers, having no FPU (LC040-based machines), or other limitations. I like the blue and white G3 also, and the 7x00 series of Macs. The Quadras were nice, as were the compact Macs except the Color Classic and the Mac II series except the IIsi and IIci. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/ Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 16 Oct 2002 : 21:10:35 Apple I: Collectors item Apple IIe: The first comp i ever used Macintosh: Well, it started a revolution Mac II: The first colour Mac!!! SE/30: Da Compact Mac From Hell LCII: First Mac I ever used LCIII: My first Mac LC475: Kick-ass pixel pushing power in a pizzabox LC630: First Mac to be able to use the Apple TV/Video System and IDE HDs LC575: Well, its faster than a 475, and even has something approaching sex appeal. PowerMac 8100: Kick@$$ NuBus PowerMac PowerMac 9600: The best PowerMac ever. Slip in a Sonnet G4/800 and you're good to go! iMac (any flavour): A kick-butt machine, and the machine that saved Apple Power Mac G3 (all types): Just an all-round kick-butt machine. PowerBook 180c: Goergous screen on a 33 Mhz 68030 PowerBook 540c: The sweetest 68k PB....EVER PowerBook 190cs: Uses IDE HDs, and can be upgraded to an active matrix colour display from a donor 5300c PowerBook 1400: First PowerBook with CD ROM! PowerBook 3400: Love the built in sub, and its sorta majestic PowerBook 145B: well...it works Quadra 840AV: AV Powerhouse of 1993! iWant! Quadra 950: Most expandable NuBus Mac, and is very fast -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
danamania Official 68k Muse Australia 1193 Posts	Posted - 17 Oct 2002 : 02:04:07 I have to go for a 540c. a 1994 laptop with: active matrix colour, thousands of colours, 16-bit stereo sound (AND stereo speakers), serial, ADB, built in modem, built in ethernet, twin batteries, scsi, monitor mirroring AND spanning, built in mic and sound-in, trackpad, and an optional funky card-cage for some kindsa expansion cards. When I got mine (the first and only powerbook so far) I thought it was just a kinda nice 33Mhz 040 machine... then I noticed more and more features were just -there- that were optional on so many other machines. Chalk up a vote for a 550c, for the bigger screen, black case and FPU on top of all of the above too, ifya like :D dana Quadra 605 Obsessions
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 17 Oct 2002 : 05:30:08 quote: I have to go for a 540c. a 1994 laptop . . . Methinks our maniac needs add a little Duo for spice in her diet of Macintosh goodness! I'll pick the bookends of the Duo Lineup, 2300c and the sire of the line, the PowerBook 100! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
foetoid Full Member USA 554 Posts	Posted - 17 Oct 2002 : 07:12:07 quote: I have to go for a 540c. a 1994 laptop with: active matrix colour, thousands of colours, 16-bit stereo sound (AND stereo speakers), serial, ADB, built in modem, built in ethernet, twin batteries, scsi, monitor mirroring AND spanning, built in mic and sound-in, trackpad, and an optional funky card-cage for some kindsa expansion cards. When I got mine (the first and only powerbook so far) I thought it was just a kinda nice 33Mhz 040 machine... then I noticed more and more features were just -there- that were optional on so many other machines. Chalk up a vote for a 550c, for the bigger screen, black case and FPU on top of all of the above too, ifya like :D dana Quadra 605 Obsessions 500 series laptops all the way!!! although, I was unaware that the 540c could display thousands of colors... i thought it was stuck at 256 like the 520c ________________ foetoid, that's (fee-toy-duh) http://www.foetoid.doesntexist.com
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 17 Oct 2002 : 12:32:33 Portables: Duo 2300c and the Pismo. Desktops: 9500 and SE/30 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 My Site: http://cine.sytes.net My Hotline Server: 840av.sytes.net
danamania Official 68k Muse Australia 1193 Posts	Posted - 17 Oct 2002 : 16:07:34 quote: 500 series laptops all the way!!! although, I was unaware that the 540c could display thousands of colors... i thought it was stuck at 256 like the 520c It's 256 for 640x480, but changing the res to 640x400 (with funky black bars top & bottom of the screen) gives it thousands. It's wonderful when I have the quicktake out n about and want to check the quality of a pic there n then - makes a BIG difference from 256... dana Quadra 605 Obsessions
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 17 Oct 2002 : 16:46:59 Mine are multiple: Compact: SE/30 - say what you like but they are the best insides and not a bad outside. Consumer Desktop: 68k - LC475 - everyone knows why!! PPC - 5500 in black Pro Desktop: 68k - 840av - it simply can't be beat PPC - PowerMac G3 B&W Rev. 2 - I've got one and I don't wanna give it up unless somone is going to give me a large wad of cash or a G4 Laptop: 68k - No idea. I have a 180c but it's dead so i can't see how good it is PPC - Pismo G3/500 Powerbook - black, sexy and fast. Misc others & honourary mentions: iPod - no need for ana explanation here! Newton 2100 - The StrongArm CPU was powerful enough to drive a very good desktop at the time. The idea was way ahead of it's time. I don't think even the iPaq comes close apart frm the colour screen. iMac - yep, good idea at the time, many are still going strong, definitely saved Apple and changed the world of computing forever. FireWire - whips USB 2.0. Look out for GigaWire in the next 18 months, it's gonna move the goal posts for external drives. That's my lot for now. -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 17 Oct 2002 : 17:12:34 Actually, the 5400/6400/5500 etc. weren't limited at all like the x2x0s were... I like my 540c, Tasma, too. Quadra 950s are cool as well. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
Wonkothesane Full Member USA 506 Posts	Posted - 18 Oct 2002 : 10:18:26 My favorites are the Duo line (small, expandable, lightweight), the 2100(powerful, way ahead of its time), and the B&W G3 (upgradable.... and blue ) Wonko The Sane Engineer-in-training 3 Macs Liberated "You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool."- Wonko The Sane
TheDoctor Starting Member 29 Posts	Posted - 27 Oct 2002 : 20:17:08 PowerBook 3400. Nice display, expansion bay, and four (4!) speakers.
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 05:57:18 quote: Actually, the 5400/6400/5500 etc. weren't limited at all like the x2x0s were... I think that they were. First of all, the IDE controller only allowed one drive. Second of all, the 5400/6400 had RAM-based video, which made the GUI (scrolling, dragging, etc.) feel slow, even compared to my 575. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 14:24:53 Yes, but at least they had a PCI based architecture, had one (two in the 64/6500), and didn't have the quality problems that the x200 and x300 had. In a 6400 you can easily get around the RoadApple limitations by adding a PCI video card and a USB/FireWire card. Can't do so on a 5200. FYI, the 6360 is also based on the 5400's PCI mobo, and unlike its other sisters in the 6300 family, is actually a nice machine, like the 5400. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 16:22:31 quote: quote: Actually, the 5400/6400/5500 etc. weren't limited at all like the x2x0s were... I think that they were. First of all, the IDE controller only allowed one drive. Second of all, the 5400/6400 had RAM-based video, which made the GUI (scrolling, dragging, etc.) feel slow, even compared to my 575. There's limited and then there's hobbled to point of being an affront to the dignity of the consumer. Even the author who started the whole road apple deal said he shouldn't really include the 630 with the lc040 impaired 6xx's and the 6360/6400 mobo finally gave a halfway usable vidres of 1024x768. No mobo video ever implemented by Apple could hold its own against a video card and the 6360/6400 is very usable compared to most consumer Macs. The B@$%@#&$ shoulda put decent VRAM in the 630 AND the 6360/6400, but they were consumer machines. A 575 only did what, 640x480? No way you can compare that to pushing 1024x768 pixels, damn the speed, full screen real estate ahead, that's a tradeoff in terms of usability I'll make ANY day. I rarely give Apple any credit at all on midrange machines, but on the 630/6360/6400, they came close to getting it right. Cripes! Apple never even did SCSI to spec, it was ALWAYS sub-standard. At least they didn't remove it entirely, which is what they probably woulda done if they'd pulled their heads far enough out of their @$$e$ to get IDE right. Matter of fact, that is just about exactly what they did when they finally added slave support, my G4 requires a SCSI card. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 17:49:27 Actually, I think that Apple did get it right with the 6500, which had onboard ATI video with 2 MB VRAM. My mistake in including it with the machines with RAM-based video. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (2), LC, IIsi, PB 145b, Quadra 700 (2), LC 575, 6100 (2), PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 18:07:09 quote: Actually, I think that Apple did get it right with the 6500, which had onboard ATI video with 2 MB VRAM. My mistake in including it with the machines with RAM-based video. Was that the first mac ever to have a REAL video chipset? I noticed it did more pixels than my 6360, of course mine now has a full length Radius PCI card and pumping out 1360 x 1024 x 24 bit @ 75 Hz . . . so who needs an internal CD anyway! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 18:15:49 quote: . . . so who needs an internal CD anyway! ME! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 18:43:25 quote: quote: . . . so who needs an internal CD anyway! ME! Someday I may rewire the medusa cable harness so I can put it back in, right now the speaker is relocated in the optical bay! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
mac-man6 Junior Member Canada 217 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 19:10:00 The Apple PowerCD I'm listening to David Bowie on right now! Editor of the printed word, Ministry of 68k Truths (mini6) ------------------ PowerCD, SE 4/40, Classic II 4/40, IIx 8/160, IIvi 8/260, Quadra 650 32/260, Mac Quadra 650 64/350 via basilisk II, iMac 333 160/6G How you like d'em apples?!
Da Penguin Senior Member USA 1094 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 19:31:03 The TAM. Who cares if it was overpriced and not realy upgradeable, it is sexy as all h3ll! ~The Penguin \| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line \| \| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy \| \| 68k.torpedobird.com <-- Official Hotline Server \|
catsdorule Senior Member Canada 1627 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 19:43:57 quote: The TAM. Who cares if it was overpriced and not realy upgradeable, it is sexy as all h3ll! ~The Penguin \| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line \| \| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy \| \| 68k.torpedobird.com <-- Official Hotline Server \| You have a tam?!? -danny ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 19:49:50 the Apple //e... definitely. i could play Oregon Trail for hours upon end when i was a much younger Applefreak. we got ours when i was about 4 years old and it was used... a refugee from the Memphis State University computer lab. lasted 3 years before something in the keyboard broke and wegave it to a friend of the family to use for parts (he repaired old Apple ]['s as a side job) but if not the //e then its the Performa 578; mine holds a very special place in my heart ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee Owner of the 68kmla's sole Performa 578 Edited by - llamaboy487 on 28 Oct 2002 20:17:13
II2II Junior Member Canada 115 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 20:21:59 Nobody said that we had to to pick a single favourite, right? First for the best: Quadra 950, Apple IIc+, and Mac IIci Close contenders: CC575, SE/30 Fast computers are for wimps! II2II Intelligence officer in training.
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 28 Oct 2002 : 20:24:33 hmm, dunno.... My uncle's powerbook 540c was really nice... _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLine:scchicago.homeip.net Website(closed):http://scchicago.homeip.net Forum: http://scchicago.homeip.net/forum
Da Penguin Senior Member USA 1094 Posts	Posted - 29 Oct 2002 : 15:31:02 No I don't have a TAM, iWish™ though! However, I have used and touched one. Pictures do not do that machine justice, it is such a nice piece of work. I say it was worth the 10k price, merely as a piece of art! IMO ~The Penguin \| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line \| \| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy \| \| 68k.torpedobird.com <-- Official Hotline Server \|
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 01 Nov 2002 : 23:16:25 NEW FAVORITE: The Macintosh SE FDHD. My favorite 68k in the world. period. unless i had a 128k, then itd be my favorite probably. ------------- Special Ops, 578th Performa Division Fort Llama, Memphis Tennessee 68k Macs Liberated: 2

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