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shaktiman
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United Kingdom
1226 Posts		 Posted - 01 Oct 2002 :  03:13:20
I saw this on ebay...........

quote:
Dual Processor Mac - Highly Expandable
Item # 2057549904

I am not that interested in the computer so much as the case, could I rehouse my 840av in this case?

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Flash
Full Member


Australia
637 Posts		 Posted - 01 Oct 2002 :  05:09:33
If you only want the case, why not go for an 8500 or something? Be a pity to wreck a dual PPC for an 840 hack...

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thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 01 Oct 2002 :  08:11:48
the 8500 is identical to the 840av case. That is an AMAZING mac and especially for that price!!! Don't get me wrong, the 840av is a sweet machine, but don't destroy a 9500MP for it. If anything, get the 9500 and use it as regular mac.

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SpaceBoy
Full Member


USA
631 Posts		 Posted - 01 Oct 2002 :  09:28:49
Here, check out something like this- leave the working MP machines alone!
eBay item: 2058695237
Hope this helps,
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cinemafia
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USA
2965 Posts		 Posted - 01 Oct 2002 :  11:54:06
The Dual 180 actually isn't as good as it seems, at least not in MacOS. You can get a stand-alone dual 180 daughtercard upgrade for other PCI PPC's, and from all the reviews of it that I've read on it, it's performance is considerably less than a single 200-233MHz 604e. Mostly, though, this is because OS 8-9 makes little or no use of that second proc! If you were to use the Dual 180 in a machine running a PPC flavor of Linux, however, you might notice an advantage, particularly if used as a server.

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shaktiman
Senior Member


United Kingdom
1226 Posts		 Posted - 01 Oct 2002 :  13:10:26
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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms


USA
4679 Posts		 Posted - 01 Oct 2002 :  20:20:55
a 9500 case won't help you really get more expansion... your quarda won't magically gain 3 more NuBus slots, or PCI slots for that matter, and the cases are nearly identical except for height anyhow... if you want to use the 1 or 2 extra power connectors in your quaddie, cut a hole in the top and put some drives there... there's a hack, have a scsi cable that Ts off, one goes down, to the CD drive & 2 other things (mine would be 2 HDDs) then make one go up to whatever else you want, and can power from the PSU... or get a Quadra 950 if you really want more "power" and "expandibility"

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Flash
Full Member


Australia
637 Posts		 Posted - 03 Oct 2002 :  06:24:26
quote:

Police report that a shadowy figure has been haunting the small alleys of the internet, The person preys on poor unsuspecting ppc macs & other high powered macs, hacking away at them & ripping out thier vital organs, only to replace them with 68k parts!.


LOL!

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ehurtley
New Member


USA
63 Posts		 Posted - 03 Oct 2002 :  11:38:43
quote:

I saw this on ebay...........

quote:
Dual Processor Mac - Highly Expandable
Item # 2057549904

I am not that interested in the computer so much as the case, could I rehouse my 840av in this case?

I've got a PMac 8500 case if you want it. The PMac mainboard died. :-(

And my next door neighbor has an 8500 mobo hacked into a 9500 case. He did it for the drive room, not the expansion card room.

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candyPunk
Full Member


USA
856 Posts		 Posted - 04 Oct 2002 :  08:56:49
quote:

The Dual 180 actually isn't as good as it seems, at least not in MacOS. You can get a stand-alone dual 180 daughtercard upgrade for other PCI PPC's, and from all the reviews of it that I've read on it, it's performance is considerably less than a single 200-233MHz 604e. Mostly, though, this is because OS 8-9 makes little or no use of that second proc! If you were to use the Dual 180 in a machine running a PPC flavor of Linux, however, you might notice an advantage, particularly if used as a server.

OS X makes good use of multiple chips, right? 180 mhz by itself would probably be pretty slow under X, but maybe two of them would make it usable. Just a thought.

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cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader


USA
2965 Posts		 Posted - 04 Oct 2002 :  11:25:46
quote:
OS X makes good use of multiple chips, right? 180 mhz by itself would probably be pretty slow under X, but maybe two of them would make it usable. Just a thought.

OS X really has no place on OWR Macs. Installing it, especially Jaguar, can be done, but the effort and time required, along with the unstable, sloth-like results add up to it being an exercise if futility. One would be better off installing YDL, Mandrake, Gentoo, SuSE or, if you want the OS X underpinnings without the mostly NWR-hardware dependent UI, Darwin/GNU-Darwin.

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candyPunk
Full Member


USA
856 Posts		 Posted - 05 Oct 2002 :  13:47:43
I was just reading the Technical Note (1167) explaining the New World ROM, as I didn't know much about it. It says the the iMac was the first mac to feature the NWR. The beige G3's came out before the iMac, though, and OS X runs perfectly fine on them. What it is about the first generation PB G3's that prevented them from running X? It seems to me that if X runs ok on the G3 desktops with old world roms, there shouldn't be any reason (aside from the hassle involved in tricking the computer) not to run X on some of the last 604 macs. PCC had a dual 250 mhz 604e tower, and the 8600/9600 had some absolutely speedy models. Sure, the G3 is more powerful than the 604, but doesn't it seem like a 350 mhz 604e could hold its own against, say, a 266 mhz G3, which I know runs X well enough for most basic users?

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Mike
Junior Member


USA
103 Posts		 Posted - 05 Oct 2002 :  21:19:05
Installing OS X on my PowerMac 7300 was a breeze. I downloaded xPostFacto (look on Google for it) and then put in the OS X CD, which actually was intended for an iBook. Then I clicked "Install" on the XPostFacto program. It copied some kinda stuff and rebooted into the OS X CD and you can install it like normal!

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts		 Posted - 06 Oct 2002 :  07:09:37
I know a person who ran it just fine on his 7300/200 with only 64MB of RAM! that's half of the requirement! really... his only problem was only having a 3.2 GB drive, i'd say that if there was another problem, it was that he probably downloaded every piece of shareware that there ever was.

he was running 10.1.something...

so as the gears and cogs in my head spin ever-faster, i begin to think that one might be able to run it very faster on a dual whatever machine than with a single/200

wasn't there a dual 250? or even a dual /300 of the 9600? or can i hack one of the dual proc cards to accept 2 350 MHz 604e

WHEEE it's the dual 350MHz 8600 running Jaguar with open source drivers & program for the AV!!! YAY... ohh, and i can't forget my USB PCI card :)

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candyPunk
Full Member


USA
856 Posts		 Posted - 06 Oct 2002 :  11:48:14
PCC had a dual 250mhz 604e tower, and there was a dual 200mhz 9600. The 9600 went up to 350, but only with one chip, and they were expensive as hell, of course, and still are, considering that you aren't supposed to be able to run X. The 8600 went up to 300 mhz, but there weren't any multiple processor systems. I really think that the 180mhz 9500 MP would run OS X!

I seem to recall hearing something about OS 9 right before it came out. I think it was in the Macworld (ugh) article talking about the upcoming release. I remember reading that OS 9 was a stroke of good fortune for multiple processor systems, for some reason. I know that 8 is not any help for those macs, and 9 can't possibly be as good as X or any other OS built around multiple chips, but is there something in 9 that makes some use of dual processors?

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cinemafia
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USA
2965 Posts		 Posted - 08 Oct 2002 :  14:24:58
OS can and will make use of a second proc, but very little. So little, in fact, that you'd be better off running a single, faster chip than a dual 180, like a 233, 266, 300 or 350. That was my point.

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Trash80toG-4
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USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 08 Oct 2002 :  16:00:02
quote:

is there something in 9 that makes some use of dual processors?

Photoshop, IIRC.

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cinemafia
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USA
2965 Posts		 Posted - 08 Oct 2002 :  16:35:17
Yep...that's about it. Maybe FCP for 9, too.

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Flash
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Australia
637 Posts		 Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  04:45:38
There's no Apple OS except for X that makes use of two processors, only certain applications such as Photoshop. On the other hand, even the fastest MP 180 Mac is not going to be as 'fast' as my dual 533 G4 (which by the way is completely superseded by the new Quicksilver Macs!)

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alcoa
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Albania
543 Posts		 Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  06:16:29
quote:

There's no Apple OS except for X that makes use of two processors, only certain applications such as Photoshop. On the other hand, even the fastest MP 180 Mac is not going to be as 'fast' as my dual 533 G4 (which by the way is completely superseded by the new Quicksilver Macs!)

I wonder how well a PhotoBooster on a 68k would do compared to a G4?

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Slomac636
Junior Member


USA
103 Posts		 Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  08:00:30
My two cents:

Any app will run on a two proc machine, but it must be written as multi-proc capable application to take advantage of the extra processing power, including the OS, ie; some database apps, Photoshop and OS X. Until then, we've got to wait on S/W developers to write multi-proc aware apps. I wouldn't depend on M$ to do it though, it'll end up being lumbering, feature riddled, bloat-ware.

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Marchie
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USA
911 Posts		 Posted - 10 Oct 2002 :  11:33:35
I managed to get OS X10.0 (only install CD I had then) to go on a 9600/132, w/ 32MB of RAM and a 2GB hard drive, ATI Mach64 Vid card and Portrait Display.

It took 20 minutes to open the dern Application window.

More and more tho, I think the hard drive is fouled, and I need to try is all again... I ripped the RAM out of it tho, in order to upgrade the 7300 my dad uses.

If in fact it WAS the hard drive, I might be setting that thing up with a new HD and Jaguar, along with the G4 and Grape iMac as a crazy crazy OS X network.

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts		 Posted - 12 Oct 2002 :  18:34:17
iThink that you can put the dual proc cards from any PCI based mac, into any other PCi based mac... so adding a dual 250 card from a PPC machine into an 8600 running OSX with hopefully available 3rd party support for the AV would be perfect for me!

or for a powerdesktop, add a dual anything to a 7300 and run OSX on it.

I really liked 9.0 running on the 7300/200 with only 64MB of RAM

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Clinton
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USA
700 Posts		 Posted - 17 Oct 2002 :  20:50:34
IIRC, the MP card from the 9500 WILL NOT run in an 86/9600. the 8/9600 use the Mach 5 604e, and will not run anything less, lest you fry the board
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