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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
 Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 06:51:07
OK, today my dad handed down to me an old, packard bell, 150 mhz/16 meg ram/1.6 gig drive. Will this run Next or openstep, and if so, does anybody know if it would be fast? well, fast enough to use it on. I don't know much of this kind of thing, i want to learn though..
yes, i feel dirty with this pc in my presence, but it's going to a good cause.
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oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 09:40:13
Congratulations on your find!It should run fairly well. I run OS on a P166 and it feels pretty good. Not System-6-on-a-Mac-II-with-040-Upgrade fast, but good enough to use for actual work. You need more RAM. OpenStep does the same thing Mac OS X does with buffering windows to RAM, so it eats lots of RAM, especially with high resolutions and high color depths. 32 MB is the bare minimum. 64 MB or more would be much better. Your drive is plenty big. In fact, it's huge for NS/OS! I have only an 800 MB partition for OS and the operating system plus applications fit with room to spare. Be sure to check your video card to see if it's supported. Look in System Properties in the Device Manager to see what display adapter you have. See if it's on the supported list linked to on my OS page (see below). If your video card won't support at least 1024x768/16 bit color/>60Hz refresh rate, you'll probably want a new video card. See the supported list for what works. Have fun! Once you get it working, be sure to install vMac, NXBill, the Lighthouse apps, OmniWeb, PopOver, and Doom II. If you need X Windows under OS, CubX is free now at the Peanuts archive. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 11:28:26
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You need more RAM. OpenStep does the same thing Mac OS X does with buffering windows to RAM, so it eats lots of RAM, especially with high resolutions and high color depths. 32 MB is the bare minimum. 64 MB or more would be much better.
I don't have enough to get it to 32. :( All my big sims are in the 7100. quote:
Your drive is plenty big. In fact, it's huge for NS/OS! I have only an 800 MB partition for OS and the operating system plus applications fit with room to spare.
Can I dual boot from a linux install or (dare I say it) windows? quote:
Be sure to check your video card to see if it's supported. Look in System Properties in the Device Manager to see what display adapter you have. See if it's on the supported list linked to on my OS page (see below). If your video card won't support at least 1024x768/16 bit color/>60Hz refresh rate, you'll probably want a new video card. See the supported list for what works.
it's the onboard (probably generic vesa, i had a similar PB 486dx2 from back in the day) I'm not wanting to spend any money on the POS, so a video card is not an option. quote:
Have fun! Once you get it working, be sure to install vMac, NXBill, the Lighthouse apps, OmniWeb, PopOver, and Doom II.
What does it offer to be a webserver? Http is all i need. Is the software good, or should i stick with a 8500/g3 w/ webstar? quote:
If you need X Windows under OS, CubX is free now at the Peanuts archive.
Do I need that? is there a gui or do i need that as well? i don't know a thing about nextstep. BTW? Was this where I originally posted this? I can't remember, i had to search to find it. _______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist - 950 division
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oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 12:26:58
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I don't have enough to get it to 32. :( All my big sims are in the 7100.
Then beg/buy/steal some more! Any less than 32 MB won't cut it.
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Can I dual boot from a linux install or (dare I say it) windows?
You can dual boot it with Windoze, but you'll have to boot by typing a partition number at the bootloader unless you have a FAT16 (DOS-style) partition. I'm not sure about Linux. quote:
it's the onboard (probably generic vesa, i had a similar PB 486dx2 from back in the day)
You'll need OpenStep 4.2 and the Y2K patch (patch 4) to get the generic VESA driver. However, your card has to be VESA 2.0 compliant for it to work. You're much better off if your card has a driver for it. Like I said, check in the device manager for what chipset it's based on. Even onboard video is usually based off of some supported chipset. In my Compaq, it's S3 Trio64+. quote:
What does it offer to be a webserver? Http is all i need.
There is Apache available. See http://www.peak.org/openstep/mach/apps/internet/www/ However, there's no GUI for Apache. In order for Ethernet to work, you'll need a supported Ethernet card. OS is very stable, much more so than the classic Mac OS, so you don't need to worry about your server crashing. quote:
Do I need that? is there a gui or do i need that as well?
No, you don't need it. It's the OpenStep equivalent of XDarwin; it lets you run X Windowing System programs remotely or locally. The GUI itself comes with OpenStep, so you don't need to download anything extra. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
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Kady Mae
Junior Member
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2002 : 09:12:30
To reinterate: more ram. You need more ram. Head to crucial.com to see how much ram the mobo will support and exactly what kind and then head to memorytogo.com to buy it cheap.You want at least 64mb. Beg, borrow or steal. Can it dual boot W98 and Linux? Yes. The drive is big enough to chop into 800 mb halves. You'll need to make a W98 boot floppy and use FDisk to format and partition the drive. 68K's liberated: 4
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2002 : 10:15:12
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To reinterate: more ram. You need more ram. Head to crucial.com to see how much ram the mobo will support and exactly what kind and then head to memorytogo.com to buy it cheap.You want at least 64mb. Beg, borrow or steal. Can it dual boot W98 and Linux? Yes. The drive is big enough to chop into 800 mb halves. You'll need to make a W98 boot floppy and use FDisk to format and partition the drive.
Well, i won't be getting any more ram for a while, but i do have a spare ide drive (800 meg) that i can use in it, so that will be nice for multiple OSes.
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