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thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 27 Aug 2002 : 14:06:45 http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=7390915135 This was mentioned at xlr8yourmac.com, but i thought i'd bring it here!! I've made the change and i have noticed some improvements... i think. numbers don't seem to change, but it feels a little faster.. _______________________ Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist - 950 division Liberated Macs: 12 SEE IF MY NEWTON IS ONLINE AT nsa68k.kicks-ass.net *
aftermac New Member USA 80 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 14:55:43 What system are you running? Have you checked the fps on any games? I plan on installing Jaguar on my B&W G3 350, with 32 MB Radeon, and 1 GB RAM. Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 16:02:57 ok, my system is a contraband 8500 w/ g3 and pci radeon. I've used mac osx ever since i got it about a year ago. I did the simple hack (which there is a little helper app that will toggle it, find it here http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=16006&db=macosx ) I've noticed significant differences with the system/finder windows and watching the cpu monitor, i can tell that graphic are been handled more by the card. On the description of that helper app they state that there is a 50% performance drop when encoding and decoding video and dvds. I hadn't read that anywhere else. I can't confirm or argue that statement since I don't have a dvd rom and i didn't play with quicktime enough without QE enabled. I'll be turning it off when i have the chance to compare the differences better. As far as games go, all I've tried is medal of honor. It's slow, choppy and practically unplayable. I don't notice any difference. i'll be trying some other games tonight. As far as I'm concerned, i'm going to probably stick with QE enabled until i hear from a reliable source that it's not worth it. It makes the system snappier and that's all i want. _______________________ Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist - 950 division Liberated Macs: 12 SEE IF MY NEWTON IS ONLINE AT nsa68k.kicks-ass.net * Edited by - thelip on 28 Aug 2002 16:08:26
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 17:09:12 There may be some disadvantage... <hearsay from MAF> I've heard that the hack slows down performance in stuff that matters more such as DVD burning and video editing. Also graphical glitches in column view. </hearsay> ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
aftermac New Member USA 80 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 17:14:18 Thanks for the link and info. Now I'm really curious... unfortunately I'm flat broke, so it might be a while before I get Jaguar. I do have a DVD player, and my B&W has a 66 MHz PCI video slot (instead of the standard 33), so I wonder how bad it will be. I don't really watch many movies on my tower, but I do use Quicktime quite a bit... Really, all I want is better responsiveness. Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock
aftermac New Member USA 80 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 17:20:22 quote: ~Coxy: At least you got the postcount! ...and I could use a higher postcount, so here's #60. Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock
Captain Z Mobile Ops Commander USA 637 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 19:26:08 I am testing out the effects of QuartzExtreme on PCI on my system. I just got my Radeon PCI today, and I can say that it is totally sweet. Right now, I have my Radeon in the 66MHz PCI slot, driving a 15" monitor at 1024x768. THe original Rage 128 is in the slot next to it, driving another 15" monitor at 1024x768. On the main screen I have my DVD drive set playing a movie, and I am replying to this thread on the other monitor. Anyways, from what I have experienced with QE-PCI is that it really doesn't do much overall. I really haven't noticed much of a change, but then again, I am compairing my Rage 128 w/o QE to the Radeon w/QE. Also, here is the benchmark comparison between the cards in my experience: All tests were done at 1024x768, 32bit under Mac OS X 10.2 I tested iTunes the most, but also tested Metal Of Honor and Warcraft 3. iTunes 3 visualizer - small size, faster but rougher, Rage 128 = 30fps iTunes 3 visualizer - large size, faster but rougher, Rage 128 = 10fps iTunes 3 visualizer - small size, Rage 128 = 24fps iTunes 3 visualizer - large size, Rage 128 = 6fps iTunes 3 visualizer - small size, faster but rougher, Radeon = 45fps iTunes 3 visualizer - large size, faster but rougher, Radeon = 15fps iTunes 3 visualizer - small size, Radeon = 30fps iTunes 3 visualizer - large size, Radeon = 10fps iTunes 3 visualizer - small size, faster but rougher, Radeon, OpenGL = 70fps iTunes 3 visualizer - large size, faster but rougher, Radeon, OpenGL = 25fps iTunes 3 visualizer - small size, Radeon, OpenGL = 40fps iTunes 3 visualizer - large size, Radeon, OpenGL = 15fps Warcraft 3 - Rage 128, low graphic settings = about 15-20fps, except when there is a lot of activity Warcarft 3 - Radeon, low graphic settings = about 25-30fps, except when there is a lot of activity Warcarft 3 - Radeon, medium graphic settings = about 15fps, except when there is a lot of activity MOHAA - Rage 128, low graphic settings = about 10fps, peaking 15fps MOHAA - Radeon, low graphic settings = about 20fps, peaking 25fps MOHAA - Radeon, medium graphic settings = about 10fps, peaking 15fps Sorry about the length, but I just wanted to report my findings ------------------ Captain Z - Mobile Operations Commander 68K Macintosh Liberation Army 23 68K Macs Liberated Visit Captain Z's Starbase of EV Stuff
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 28 Aug 2002 : 21:31:06 yeah, i'm not sure if there are major advantages to have QE enabled other than the fact that the desktop changes are the blend/fade thing like the screen savers. Of course, not much has been optimized yet for QE so when/if that happens it might be a better story. i'm still leaving it on, doesn't seem to hurt anything _______________________ Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist - 950 division Liberated Macs: 12 SEE IF MY NEWTON IS ONLINE AT nsa68k.kicks-ass.net *

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