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TiMacLover Senior Member USA 1282 Posts	Posted - 08 Nov 2001 : 00:21:52 Can i take a SE/30 and upgrade it to a Color Classic monitor. My friend brought this up. He maybe thought if it would not have enough VRAM. Thanks for ur imput. jeremy "We need computers Woz, not Blue Box's." - Steve Jobs My AOL, AIM Sceen name is got 007s milk Covert Ops 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Macs Liberated:13
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 08 Nov 2001 : 10:05:22 Do you mean you want to replace the SE/30's internal monitor with one from a ColorClassic? I doubt this can even do done, simply becase of size, logistical and electric reasons. However, if you can find one, a Micron Xceed video card that will give you 8-bit greyscale on the internal monitor. I know what you're thinking, but trust me, 256 greys looks very, very nice. Even on a 9" screen! If you want to just have an external monitor, there's the SuperMac ColorCard SE/30, which will provide 8-bit color at 640x480, and then there's the ultra-rare RasterOps ColorBoard 264/SE30 that supports 640x480 at 24-bit color. Private EL CINE 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Master of the Mac II series forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 4 Edited by - cinemafia on 09 Nov 2001 11:25:19
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 08 Nov 2001 : 10:09:04 hey...how do we do links here? the MAF UBB didn't work! Private EL CINE 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Total 68K Macs liberated: 4 "Language is a virus from outer space." - William S. Burroughs
FireWire is fast General, 4 star USA 1559 Posts	Posted - 08 Nov 2001 : 19:02:16 faq.asp.html#hyperlink FireWire is fast General, 4 star 68k Macintosh Liberation Army
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 09 Nov 2001 : 11:21:50 Ahhh, I see now. It's all about the quotes. Thanks, Firewire. Private EL CINE 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Master of the Mac II series forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 4 Edited by - cinemafia on 09 Nov 2001 11:23:54
Marchie Chaplain USA 911 Posts	Posted - 10 Nov 2001 : 08:48:49 Ok, someone is goingt o have to inform me of one thing: What is the SIZE of the Color Clasic monitor? 9 inch or 10 inch? If you have a 9 inch Colour CRT, and put in the Micron Xceed card mentioned earlier, there's a good chance that you can get colour internally to the SE/30. It's be a crazy mad hack, but very very cool. The reason this would work is because grey and colour only differ in one way: how many guns are being used. If you can send grey information to a screen, you can send colour. the amount of VRAM used for grey vs colour @ X bit dept is equal. 2 bits is 2 bits, 8 bits is 8 bits. The other problem you might have, is that the colour CRT is too long for the SE/30 case. If you check Apple's spec database, you can see how much deeper (if any) the Colour Classic is, and that should tell you if the CRT will fit. Good luck! ~Marchie ~~"We are all Mad here."~~
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 10 Nov 2001 : 09:02:56 Color Classic has a 9", 512x324 (is that right? it's the same as other nine inchers) screen, normall wuth 8 bit color. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00007 Macs liberated.
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 10 Nov 2001 : 16:26:34 If you were to use a different CRT with the SE/30 analog board, wouldn't you have have to be careful about matching the right sort of CRT with the analog board so as to be careful of X-Ray radiation? Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 5
GORDOOM Junior Member Canada 208 Posts	Posted - 10 Nov 2001 : 20:12:12 quote: Color Classic has a 9", 512x324 (is that right? it's the same as other nine inchers) screen, normall wuth 8 bit color. Sorry, not quite... the CRT in the Color Classic actually runs at 512x384 (same as the 12" RGB that you find often with the early LCs). It did indeed run stock at 8-bit, and could be upgraded to run at 16-bit. IIRC, the case of the Color Classic is substantially deeper than the SE-style case, simply because of the extra depth of the CRT. So squeezing in the tube might be a bit of a challenge... GORDOOM Commander, Academic Operations Reserve (University of Toronto, St. George Campus) total Macs liberated: 4 (as of November 8, 2001) "...the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do."
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 11 Nov 2001 : 05:02:36 quote: If you were to use a different CRT with the SE/30 analog board, wouldn't you have have to be careful about matching the right sort of CRT with the analog board so as to be careful of X-Ray radiation? X-Rays? Where the heck do they come in? ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00007 Macs liberated.
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 11 Nov 2001 : 18:16:27 quote: X-Rays? Where the heck do they come in? ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00007 Macs liberated. I've read on warning labels on the back of CRTs that you should replace tubes with the same type number for continued safety against X-Ray radiation. Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 5
Marchie Chaplain USA 911 Posts	Posted - 12 Nov 2001 : 10:39:38 X-Rays eh? does that mean I can paint my SE/30 with uranium paint, replace the CRT with something different, and useit as a nuclear reactor? ~~"We are all Mad here."~~
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 12 Nov 2001 : 15:08:16 quote: X-Rays eh? does that mean I can paint my SE/30 with uranium paint, replace the CRT with something different, and useit as a nuclear reactor? ~~"We are all Mad here."~~ not sure, but i wouldn't really want to try it...LOL Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 5
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 12 Nov 2001 : 17:38:52 I don't really think the voltage or the cathode ray target is the right sort for X-ray production. Seems like a standard stupid warning label to me. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00007 Macs liberated.
FireWire is fast General, 4 star USA 1559 Posts	Posted - 12 Nov 2001 : 19:20:19 quote: X-Rays eh? does that mean I can paint my SE/30 with uranium paint, replace the CRT with something different, and useit as a nuclear reactor? ~~"We are all Mad here."~~ you could happen to walk by a compaq manufacturing plant and...(i'll let your macintosh evangelistic mind do the rest...) FireWire is fast General, 4 star 68k Macintosh Liberation Army
Tallgeese Full Member USA 523 Posts	Posted - 12 Nov 2001 : 22:51:18 This sounds like a way to become a superhero... "zapped by X-Rays from his Macintosh, he gained that machine's power and ease of use! He became User-Friendly-Man!" Sgt. Tallgeese Apple II Squad Leader 68k Mac Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3
Captain Z Mobile Ops Commander USA 637 Posts	Posted - 12 Nov 2001 : 23:08:21 quote: Sorry, not quite... the CRT in the Color Classic actually runs at 512x384 (same as the 12" RGB that you find often with the early LCs). It did indeed run stock at 8-bit, and could be upgraded to run at 16-bit. If you are refering to the 12" RGB or 12" Monocrome Display by Apple, it ran at a resolution of 640x400. ------------------ Captain Z - Sniper 68K Macintosh Liberation Army 17 68K Macs Liberated
Jasoco Starting Member USA 41 Posts	Posted - 21 Nov 2001 : 15:42:08 quote: If you are refering to the 12" RGB or 12" Monocrome Display by Apple, it ran at a resolution of 640x400. Not really. I have an Apple RGB 12" Monitor. It does run at 512x384. But also has a special resolution of 560x384 which I could only get on certain Macs. ::::..:....:::.::.:..::.:....:....... Please! no more weasels! I'm full...
candyPunk Full Member USA 856 Posts	Posted - 21 Nov 2001 : 18:35:44 quote: I don't really think the voltage or the cathode ray target is the right sort for X-ray production. Seems like a standard stupid warning label to me. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00007 Macs liberated. Yeah, I wasn't too worried about that when I took apart a classic with a bad power supply (don't shoot me for killing a mac - how alive was it anyway? Any of you got extra power supplies for a classic?) but what you DO need to watch out for is the vacuum tube. Man, those things can explode and throw glass everywhere! { candyPunk } { 68k MLA } { Macs liberated: 6 } { My baby: Q660av }
GORDOOM Junior Member Canada 208 Posts	Posted - 21 Nov 2001 : 20:25:46 Not just that, but make sure that you discharge the CRT before you do anything else! Even if the machine's been unplugged for months, the CRT can hold enough charge to kill a man. GORDOOM Commander, Academic Operations Reserve (University of Toronto, St. George Campus) total Macs liberated: 4 (as of November 8, 2001) "...the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do."
Alien Junior Member Netherlands 269 Posts	Posted - 22 Nov 2001 : 12:32:11 - A color CRT uses a much higher cathode voltage than a monochrome tube, so that's a no-no. - A CRT works using an electron beam. That's basically beta-radiation, so that warning label on the back is there for a reason; a CRT is in fact a radio-active device. ,xtG .tsooJ RTFM
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 22 Nov 2001 : 19:44:24 Yes, but there's no way to actually get hit by the beta radiation, you'd have to 1) put a body part in the tube, while 2) retaining the vacuum inside, and then 3) turn it on. Anyway, I've got an old dead monitor, nothing user serviceable (damn those things are hard to open!). How safe is it to puncture the CRT and watch it blow? ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00013 Macs liberated.
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 23 Nov 2001 : 05:49:37 quote: Anyway, I've got an old dead monitor, nothing user serviceable (damn those things are hard to open!). How safe is it to puncture the CRT and watch it blow? Umm, not very. [;D] Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 5
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 24 Nov 2001 : 07:50:06 Do you actually know that, or are you guessing? I guess the problem would be clearing up the glass. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00013 Macs liberated.
MacScuzzy Moderator USA 119 Posts	Posted - 25 Nov 2001 : 17:44:54 Heh, you're kidding right? Those suckers really go! if you are going to do it, use a shot gun and stand back real far! ------------- Spring has sprung, fall has fell, winters here and it's colder then usual. Brigadier MacScuzzy 68K Macintosh Liberation Army Total 68K Macs liberated:5
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 25 Nov 2001 : 18:55:49 Umm, well if you want a safer way to kill the CRT, pull those pins out of the tube that connect to the video board, and then cut the end of the tube and RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and if you don't come back, can i have your LC575, IIsi and your PowerBook 540c? -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 5
FireWire is fast General, 4 star USA 1559 Posts	Posted - 25 Nov 2001 : 19:24:36 quote: Umm, well if you want a safer way to kill the CRT, pull those pins out of the tube that connect to the video board, and then cut the end of the tube and RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and if you don't come back, can i have your LC575, IIsi and your PowerBook 540c? Sorry son, i'm going to have to confiscate the 540c and the 575 (just mobo) to search for antrax...the IIsi is fine - you can have it. FireWire is fast General, 4 star 68k Macintosh Liberation Army
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 25 Nov 2001 : 21:50:04 quote: quote: Umm, well if you want a safer way to kill the CRT, pull those pins out of the tube that connect to the video board, and then cut the end of the tube and RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and if you don't come back, can i have your LC575, IIsi and your PowerBook 540c? Sorry son, i'm going to have to confiscate the 540c and the 575 (just mobo) to search for antrax...the IIsi is fine - you can have it. FireWire is fast General, 4 star 68k Macintosh Liberation Army The 575 is fine...i'm gonna hack my 630 guts in there, but you can take the 540c from me when you pry it from my cold dead hands!!!! -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 5
Tallgeese Full Member USA 523 Posts	Posted - 26 Nov 2001 : 23:24:47 quote: The 575 is fine...i'm gonna hack my 630 guts in there, but you can take the 540c from me when you pry it from my cold dead hands!!!! Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 5 -Thinks, pulls out prybar, waits patiently- Sgt. Tallgeese Apple II Squad Leader 68k Mac Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 28 Nov 2001 : 06:00:30 IIsi is gone... ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00013 Macs liberated.
Private Entrance Starting Member 17 Posts	Posted - 02 Dec 2001 : 10:55:12 quote: watch out for the vacuum tube. Man, those things can explode and throw glass everywhere! Technically, they _implode_, as CRTs contain a vacuum... Private Entrance 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs liberated: 5
Private Entrance Starting Member 17 Posts	Posted - 02 Dec 2001 : 10:58:35 quote: - A CRT works using an electron beam. That's basically beta-radiation, so that warning label on the back is there for a reason; a CRT is in fact a radio-active device. And that's why there's 5 - 7 Pounds of lead on _every_ CRT! Just imagine how much lead there is at the WTC disaster site! Private Entrance 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs liberated: 5
Private Entrance Starting Member 17 Posts	Posted - 02 Dec 2001 : 11:04:25 quote: Yes, but there's no way to actually get hit by the beta radiation. Anyway, I've got an old dead monitor, nothing user serviceable (damn those things are hard to open!). How safe is it to puncture the CRT and watch it blow? Older TVs didn't have the shielding (lead) and since the electrons are directed at the screen, they actually fired beta radiators at the viewing audience (hence the Simpson's scene of Homer's childhood where he's sitting in front of a TV called 'Radiation King'). This is also why leaving the covers on your old compact Macs is important. That silvery metal is a secondary shield against Beta radiation... Blowing up CRTs isn't all that dangerous. As I mentioned above, they implode, not explode, so the flying debris doesn't go all that far. I've done a couple for some videos, and they never are as spectacular as we want to see... Private Entrance 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs liberated: 5
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 03 Dec 2001 : 06:05:34 Yes, but 98% or something of the radiation is absorbed by the phosphors, and re-emitted as visible light. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit 68k Macintosh Liberation Army (now with forums!) 00013 Macs liberated.

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