http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0208/13.powermac.php

If you're going to rave about how fast your dual-proc machine crunches data, for godsake, put against another dual proc machine! Dual-proc comptuers have signifigant advantages over a single proc machine with an "equal" mhz. And don't do it against a rather standard consumer PC. Order up a dual proc machine from dell or alienware and then see what the deal really is.

Or, better yet, put the dual G4 up against a Dual Xeon with equal RAM, and have an extreme bake off.

I'm not saying that the new desktops aren't wicked keen. (I lust after them.) But that's a bake off w/out the Steve Jobs reality distortion field in effect.

GORDOOM
Commander, Academic Operations Reserve
(University of Toronto, St. George Campus)
total Macs liberated: 22
(as of June 5, 2002)

~The Penguin

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Apple's putting only Dual Procs. in the Powermacs to make up for the embarrassingly small speed bump in Mhz. If they would put it up agianst a dual AMD 1800+ or even P4 running another Unix OS like Linux or FreeBSD, it wouldn't stand a chance.
They're still nice, though, and cheaper than I would expect.

Wonko The Sane
Engineer-in-training
3 Macs Liberated
"You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool."- Wonko The Sane

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Warrior maclover5
68k Macintosh Liberation Army
Number of 68ks Liberated: 6

THnx
"make sure they don't blow all over hell's half acre!"

Apple needs to stop pushing its laughable bake offs until they get some cutting edge hardware in the system.

What they need to get on and push the bejezus out of is OS X.

My next desktop system is going to be a mac, and it's OSX that makes it so.

They need to hammer hammer hammer on the "Unix for the rest of us" nature of OS X. The mac legendary ease of use. Point out that because you can swiflty and easily create new user profiles, you can let the kidlets, the spouse, guests on to the machine and prevent them from mucking with settings or reading your personal documents.

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Then they need to go kick Moto's backside and ATI's for good measure. Where's the Macintosh All In Wonder card?!

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The best thing about the new towers is that it looks like I will no longer be able to complain about Apple computers being too poorly cooled. The heatsink on the processor is huge, and the entire back of the tower is covered with ventilation holes.

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jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF

Apple use to not have expectations, it would jsut surprise us and make lives exciting (in that area). I feel this has been lost.

~The musing Penguin

/Mr Lynn

I'm not sure what the issue is exactly with motorola, if it's r&d, or that the g4 is at it's peak, or what, but there are some serious issues right now with the mac marketing strategy's response to the lack of innovative hardware. The economy is NOT coming back yet, and apple STILL does not understand that in the end it's all about what's cheap and sounds and looks fast. Until the next version of winblows to be released to the mindless public, people are getting by without buying a mac. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. So far apple still has not shown people why THEY need to spend 2x-3x times the price for something that looks slower.

Apple's strangle hold on upgrades, licensing and it's stubborn grasp to the ppc platform is going to drag it under. Period. I'm not saying to port osx to the x86. I'm saying that the g4 was a great idea but obviously is having issues with joining the rest of the world. Apple seems to still think that we're going to pay prices for outdated hardware. I could understand it if they offered something that was only available to the mac in terms of hardware, but right now, they are the ones following the pack.

OSX is apple's savior. If they were still developing OS9, or a variant of that. I doubt they would still be a company. Of course, we might still be using the g3 and who knows what that might be at currently.

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Throughout the day i've thought about apple's situation. Today's releases were just apple's way of clinging to what little respect they still have from their once loyal customers.

<continue rant>

Here's my thought for quick apple success...

Apple drops all prices to an affordable state.

Cuts the advertising budget and goes back to R&D to actually make computers.

They focus game developers to write native code. (I'm sure most people are saying, why does a pro machine need games? I'd like to see the numbers of gamers in the world and how many of them own macs. Face it, games suck on the mac right now. Gamers are a huge market that is currently left out)

Offer upgradeable macs with displays included. An imac of sorts that can be upgraded. Of course this will never happen, the less upgrading we do, the more macs we "buy". I say that loosely.

Offer a packaged deal that the average joe can afford and will want to buy. It's sorta like dealing drugs (.. so i hear...) get them hooked by physical items by offering something at a low price. (not lame commercials of people i don't know).

Get rid of the hold that microsoft has on the mac platform. get rid of office and IE and then fight their game, take back what was the mac's to begin with. I think if people saw that apple was publicly not fearing micro-has-no-penis-soft, they would see apple's strength. Currently apple tends to hide and pick at what leftovers are left.

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ok, I vented some steam. There was more building up, but i have to sleep. i hope this stirs some conversation. That's was my goal, not to piss anybody off.

Jeremy

"I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd

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I agree catsdorule, did you guys know you can overclock a DP 1Ghz to a 1.2Ghz? Well you can and you have been able to ever since they came out, a little to think about

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The best thing about the new towers is that it looks like I will no longer be able to complain about Apple computers being too poorly cooled. The heatsink on the processor is huge, and the entire back of the tower is covered with ventilation holes.

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DON'T BET on it! :rolleyes:

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I think computing is entering an era where buying a computer is like buying a car. How many people check the RPM of the engine before buying a car? Instead people look for the features that they want (number of seats, reliability, safety, towing capacity, comfort, design) in a price range they can afford. Who cares if its the highest tech possible or the absolute cheapest car/computer on the market? (Although I do think Apple has higher tech and lower prices than people give it credit for.)

If others think that MHz is the only way to assess the performance of a computer, then I don't see why they would even want an older machine that is at least 25 times slower than the current generation (or be here at the 68kMLA). And if these people persist in keeping their old 68k machines, then it just makes my point that raw tech and MHz really do not matter all that much.

I apologize unreservedly for the rant, I woke up especially cantankerous today.

G4From128k

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Isn't there something more than a little strange about people who love old 68k Macs, which top out at under 50 MHz, getting all hot and bothered that the newest Macs only go to 1250 MHz??????

I apologize unreservedly for the rant, I woke up especially cantankerous today.

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jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF

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= 8-P

OK, OK, I guess you are right about the foibles of collectors and aficionados. Its just that with customers like these, who needs competitors. I guess I'm just a very confuzzled misanthrope (THAT'S MISTER ANTHROPE TO YOU BUDDY!) that doesn't understand any of this. Must be some kinda "tough love" thing or maybe its like complaining about the food at the cafeteria -- ya bitch, but ya eat it anyway.

G4From128k

by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist
by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way
Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent
& User of the Hockey Puck Mouse of Radial Symmetry

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OK, OK, I guess you are right about the foibles of collectors and aficionados. Its just that with customers like these, who needs competitors. I guess I'm just a very confuzzled misanthrope (THAT'S MISTER ANTHROPE TO YOU BUDDY!) that doesn't understand any of this. Must be some kinda "tough love" thing or maybe its like complaining about the food at the cafeteria -- ya bitch, but ya eat it anyway.

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How many people check the RPM of the engine before buying a car?

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Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days).

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. . . and then what?
The end of the world as we know it, that's what.

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jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF

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lions and tigers and bears! OH MY!

:rolleyes:

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*snikers*

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