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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  15:40:15
In a paid email that I recieved, they say that Joch Sculley (wearing a sweater with "Apple" written accross the front) is one of america's most trusted CEO. I thought that it was John Sculley that we didn't like? wasn't it him that helped put Apple into the toilet before Steve Jobs was able to pull it back out, dry it off and put it in a profitable spot.

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catsdorule
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Canada
1627 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  16:59:35
Yep he was one of the bad ones.

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Australia
2822 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  17:08:54
No he wasn't - he was a perfectly good CEO. Without him, Apple may not be around, and there would be no Newton.

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  17:14:18
and without the newton! There'd BE NO modern PDA!!

which has it's up and down points, one thing is that there'd be no "Windows CE"
But then there'd be no newton either...

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Da Penguin
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USA
1094 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  17:14:53
Who to point fingers at in that era is actually quite hard. Even i dunno who to blame, i keep reading more and more aboot it and keep changing whose fault it may be. But none the less apple did some weird stuff, some good some bad, sometimes CEO fault, sometimes his genius.

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catsdorule
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Canada
1627 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  17:42:39
oops sorry but i got confused (there just have been so many ceos at apple) After reviewing at apple history Spindler was the worst.

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  17:47:35
I'm not sure which one is THE bad one, I just know that almost all of them had done something to set apple back

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Trash80toG-4
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USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  17:48:18
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. . . Steve Jobs was able to pull it back out, dry it off and put it in a profitable spot.

actually the iMac did that and it was in development long before the "second coming" as was the B&W G-3, IIRC! turtleneck did manage to remove the only real expansion interface (the mezzanine slot) and the vestigal floppy interface from the iMac, but he did add snappy colors! :rolleyes:

oh yeah! they did the cube under his watch! BLEH!

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Da Penguin
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USA
1094 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  17:59:13
I just came up with a good analogy that kinda explains this whole situation, sorta, well it does to me...

*ramble*
It's kinda like US presidents. Some people are all for some of them and think they have done great things. When really it could have been one, two, ten presidents before hand that REALLY set it up that way. Company presidents and such are alot the same IMHO.

*/ramble*

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maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  20:52:51
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oops sorry but i got confused (there just have been so many ceos at apple) After reviewing at apple history Spindler was the worst.

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Yeah. Spindler was the one that started Apple on its downhill fall. One thing that he did to ensure it was the great Performa ramp-up in 1995. Apple spent more money promoting them than they did PowerMacs. Sculley was actually quite a good CEO.

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Australia
2822 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  21:16:03
I think that kicking out Jobs was the best thing for both him and Apple.
Read into the history a bit and you'll see what I mean.

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Trash80toG-4
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USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 12 Aug 2002 :  21:56:19
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I think that kicking out Jobs was the best thing for both him and Apple.
Read into the history a bit and you'll see what I mean.

best thing for jobs and apple woulda been the woz kickin' the crap out of that turtlenecked pissant for being an inconsiderate, nasty, vicious putz a few of the times when he stepped over the line in the early days. good friends are supposed to do that for you when you act like a jack@$$. if woz'd kicked a little humanity and the ability to play well with others into jobs, scully wouldn't have had to kick his sorry @$$ out of apple to begin with!

age finally seems to be mellowing him a bit, he almost seemed human in the keynote.

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Australia
2822 Posts		 Posted - 13 Aug 2002 :  00:36:31
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age finally seems to be mellowing him a bit, he almost seemed human in the keynote.

I agree with you on that one.

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maclover5
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Australia
5830 Posts		 Posted - 13 Aug 2002 :  00:53:33
quote:

quote:

age finally seems to be mellowing him a bit, he almost seemed human in the keynote.

I agree with you on that one.

Yeah. Definately. Btw, has anyone noticed that Apple's designs are a little more...umm....BEIGE than they were a couple of years ago? Makes me wonder if MacAddict really was correct, and if Apple really is planning a "Retro Back-To-Beige" campaign in the next few years...

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts		 Posted - 13 Aug 2002 :  01:31:07
if you're talking about the new iMac and eMac, that's a style that macaddict called "Mightey Whitey" in their review of the iMac

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scchicago
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USA
936 Posts		 Posted - 13 Aug 2002 :  06:00:12
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Yeah. Definately. Btw, has anyone noticed that Apple's designs are a little more...umm....BEIGE than they were a couple of years ago? Makes me wonder if MacAddict really was correct, and if Apple really is planning a "Retro Back-To-Beige" campaign in the next few years...

As long as its many many shades of beige its a design i like

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Duke of the Net
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USA
25 Posts		 Posted - 17 Aug 2002 :  17:54:00
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and without the newton! There'd BE NO modern PDA!!

yeah, but uh, "Eat up martha"

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cory5412
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USA
4679 Posts		 Posted - 18 Aug 2002 :  12:05:35
Newer Newtons were MMMUUUUUUCCCCCHHH better!

from what I've read (have yet to get one) by the time that the MP 2000, and 2100 were there, and the eMate (hmmm, e, in front of a 3-4letter name with one capital letter, THAT's an idea) the handwiting recognition was great, not that any palm with "grafiti" is any good at all.

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Performaman
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USA
3 Posts		 Posted - 22 Aug 2002 :  16:09:00
Well, Jobs might not qualify in that category, seeing as he didn't file with the SEC.

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SiliconValleyPirate
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United Kingdom
273 Posts		 Posted - 22 Aug 2002 :  16:31:51
For my 2p worth I have to say I have read a large part of the book 'Odysey - Pepsi to Apple' which is (kinda) by John Sculley. The guy really has a head for marketing and was a great deal better at it than Steve Jobs, Jobs hired him as CEO to get Apple a grip in the market through better marketing. I think he is a very good cEO type of guy - I just think other people around him were making bum decisions in technical ares athat he didn't understand all that well, resulting in the company not making stuff that sold. I don't think I'd ever blame J.S. alone for the Apple crash.

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