If I buy one with an internal modem, could I upgrade this modem so instead of the obligatory 14400 say a 56k?

or would I be best advised to remove the modem(cut down on wieght) & use my external 56k?

I want the powerbook duo to take on holiday with me so as to access the internet away from home.

I would certainly invest in the duodock & at home use the duo, networked I SAY networked to my Quadra.

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I, too, suggest a full 040 or PPC laptop. Either the 540c or the 1400c. I have a PowerBook 5300, and since it does not support a L2 cache, it runs really slowly. My 6100 with a 256k cache feels faster.

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I really have my heart set on this machine.

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The duo is lighter if I remember correctly & when @ home with the duodock it would be comparable to power with my Quadra.

With the dock I think it has more expansion capabilities(ports & innards) than a 540c.

@ the end of the day I want to have my cake & eat it.

I don't need a top spec with me on holiday, just for checking email, these forums & perhaps ebay.

A few tricks for low-end browsing could be to try text only web browsing, dont automatically check for updates, just use the cache(but reload I think may get the updated page downloaded if needed)., & the obligatory cutting down of control panels.

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Well shakti, for one, the duo docks were really designed for the 030' series books (210, 230, 250, 270) and not really for the 280 or 2300 series. WHen in a dock, the 280 will feel even slower than out of it. Besides the fact that out of the dock, the 280 will feel considerably slower than your 840...

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The Powerbook Duo 280c with DuoDock II seems to me to offer the best "all round" solution.

I am not expecting a 280c to be as good as my Quadra, but better then my Performa 400.

I like buying add ons so the Quadra 840av keeps me happy & the duo would do the same I think.

now, about performance, I went to CCC the other week(a computer club which likes Atari's) & was talking to someone who had a Falcon 030(he'll be upgrading to 060!). we talked about internet access & I said that I'm with Powergen & from the information they gave me I would be able to connect via an Atari or most other computers. He said " well thats ok if you know what your doing", all through the evening he was badgering other members who had to babysit him to make minor adjustments, through .inf files(using a text editor) & other "basic" file operations.

my point is this "what the hell was he doing using an Atari if he wasn't willing to learn & to find out "what to do"?

If you use Atari you are going to have to use your innitiative.

If you use 68k mac it is a similar situation.

What do we want from our macs?

I have no problem opening an inf/configuration file in a text editor & changing say the filepath from drive c to drive d. Minor adjustments done this way are:-

A) quick
B) you know what has been done(unlike windows doing bizzarre things without asking)(also mac does it)
C) no special knowledge needed, oh sorry you need to know how to type!

This is about performance, heaven help anyone here who dosn't "know what there doing"

If you want Performance I suggest you get your hands dirty & delve into your computer.

I cant stand not knowing,

& now, how can anyone think that having icons is better that having file extentions?

I am not a ten year old kid who needs to see pictures when using his computer, I can read! I enjoy reading, I hate esoteric pictures, it is going to take me a very, very, very, very long time to adjust to this, it just feels so unnatural.

I dont get it.

I love my Quadra but have traded freedom for practicality.(my mac works, albeit after a fashion & "in it's own way")

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& now, how can anyone think that having icons is better that having file extentions?

I am not a ten year old kid who needs to see pictures when using his computer, I can read! I enjoy reading, I hate esoteric pictures, it is going to take me a very, very, very, very long time to adjust to this, it just feels so unnatural.

I dont get it.

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"One slip and down the hole we fall"

I am new to mac & really do need at the moment to sort out the software side, but my drives are just a big mess. I find file management so difficult, you want to move files but how can you do it?, well I found out that you drag a folder/file to where you want it to go. I do this & me spring loaded file opens as a new window at which point I release the mouse button......... but it has then had another folder underneath which has also opened & now my 15 files take 3 minutes to go into the wrong directory.

I always considered the "right click" one of the few saving graces of the pc.

I struggle to recognise filetypes & to move files to another directory.

cheers for replying.

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I always considered the "right click" one of the few saving graces of the pc.

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yup! control clicking is an ifreakin'credibly stooooooooopid user interface compromise! but in netscape, just hold the mouse button down long enough and it'll pop up, that way it's only so slow that it's a reasonably stupid implementation and not toooooo bad a compromise!

i'm with you 100% on the utility of extensions, the joys of wildcards seem unknown on the mac also! there must be a way to do it, but i haven't run across it yet. most mac users just get crosseyed and drool on themselves when i try to explain it to the ones that are sharp enough not to launch into an anti-wintel tirade at the mere mention of those two terms. all Operatinng Systems suck, bet every one i've ever used had features head and shoulders above all the others, INCLUDING MS-DOS!

just put .something_or_other after each new filename when you type them! all my clarisworks files are .cwk if they're not .ss.cwk or .wp.cwk!

.cwk = ClarisWorks
.fog = Fontographer Database Files
.ai8 = Illustrator 8
.eps3= Illustrator exported for plotfile conversion
.flx = FlexiSign
.cut = Vector format plotterfiles
.TXT = (guess!)

lately i've been datecoding files as .081302.2.ai8 so that i can tell a file is the second incremental save of an Illustrator 8 file revision done today with text annotations in every file listing the related files for the job/account.

combined with sherlock, i can nail which is the latest rev of a long list of files or return to a rev and tell where the pricing was at any given date for any of 40 parking garages that my largest customer operates. i've got more info on the history of his pricing structures in a handier format in my graphics files than his computerized cash register/database vendor has in his computerws and i can put my finger on it faster for anything that he does have on his systems!

the Mac might not know how to handle extensions or allow any flexibility in date tagging files, but the human brain can handle those shortcomings just fine!

make the Mac work for you, don't let it enslave you to the one button command key deprived vision that was half-@$$ed from day one, hack the sucker!

jt ™.
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Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 13 Aug 2002 10:51:09

If it's a matter of sorting by file type, when you have your views set to "By Name", you can highlight the header that you want to sort by. In this case, you'd highlight "Kind", so the list would put all the same types of files together. I use Date Modified and Version quite a bit so I can sort out newer and older software.

As for the "right click", alot of Mac applications have the feature by using the commmand-click, (pressing the open apple key and clicking the mouse). Of course there's also your Alt (Option)-click and control click. If that's still too much of a pain though, you can always buy a third-party mouse that has multiple buttons. The one-button mouse is just supposed to keep it simpler since most apps don't really need it and keeps you from hitting the wrong button by mistake.

I have a 2300C and 2 Duo Docks (a Dock II and Dock Plus) for home and work. Its a great laptop/desktop arrangement EXCEPT for the keyboard. The keys can be stiff and sticky (and this is with a Rev. F keyboard). I like the light weight and small sharp screen. I often use an external keyboard to get around this problem but it means carrying around a microdock.

If you get a Duo make sure that you try the keyboard first or be prepared to look for a replacement keyboard.

you might need to turn Appletalk off.

you might need to get a Serial Port clearing utility (can't think of one right now)

do you have a 19.2 INTERNAL??????

you definitely need to get an external for decent speed.

good luck!

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turn the modem software off in the control panel, so the ISP's software can take over.

you might need to turn Appletalk off.

you might need to get a Serial Port clearing utility (can't think of one right now)

do you have a 19.2 INTERNAL??????

you definitely need to get an external for decent speed.

good luck!

jt ™.
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C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF

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I have just gotten my head around to self typing extensions myself but never considered self dating!

lol

I agree that each os has pro's & con's.

I try hard but "control clicking" is veeeeeeeerrrrrrrrry unnatural to me.

I allways list by kind(usually known to me as type)

spring loaded off, I will try it.

will it happen like this, I double click a folder and it opens a new window whcich has icons? or can I make it use 1 window for browsing?

I do have a 2 button mouse & netscape at least utilises the second button.

myself 1 button is not enough 3 buttons to much.

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i'm with you 100% on the utility of extensions, the joys of wildcards seem unknown on the mac also! there must be a way to do it, but i haven't run across it yet.

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i'm with you 100% on the utility of extensions, the joys of wildcards seem unknown on the mac also! there must be a way to do it, but i haven't run across it yet.

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If someone will program a command line interface for the Mac, it'll work.

I'm pretty sure something of the sort exists...

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I haven't taken the time to master Sherlock, but the text fields in it scream: Where the **** did the moron in the turtleneck hide my wildcards!

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Wow, thanks. You just insulted a whole section of the world's population with that statement.

Truth is, with a GUI, you sacrifice flexibility for inuitivity. And with a CLI, you do the reverse. That doesn't mean people who use/like GUIs are stoopid, bub.

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I never used the word "stupid," tho I can see why you inferred it from my phrasing. Some zealots can be very intelligent if not too bright about some things. As for describing the others as "their eyes glazing over in utter boredom with the nuances of computer trivia" . . . just hasn't got much comedic value. The ones who can get past the intricacies of technological toys and actually use computers as tools are a lot sharper than I am!

Gui's are great, but so are command lines an especially command keys whoever the geniuses were at Apple who decided that since using the mouse was faster *gags on rising bile* that the mac not only didn't need, but shouldn't have command key equivalents for everything in the menus, I hope they've all got capal tunnel syndrome from mousing!

Something as basic as Alt-F-S ("save as" in MordorSoft DOS GUI Shells and Windows 3.0) is still inconsistently implemented as Command-Shift-S to this day! (and entirely missing from SimpleText in 9.1!!!!!!!) FEH!

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just put .something_or_other after each new filename when you type them! all my clarisworks files are .cwk if they're not .ss.cwk or .wp.cwk!

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Exactly. Want file extensions? Use 'em! Be my guest. That doesn't take away from the fact that using part of the filename as metadata is a backward idea and incredibly bad OS design...

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Incredibly bad OS design... that'd be hiding the "creator codes" from the user so that a utility is needed to find it, or so that the O.S. can dump a column of text like: "application program" to identify the .sea (useful but unidentifiable) version of a .hqx "Stuffit Expander™ Document" (that's basically useless, considering). If extensions didn't match the way people work and convey a large amount of useful information in 3 visible, searchable, easily identifyable ASCII characters, there wouldn't be enough in general use on the Mac a quarter century later to make the design team blush!

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If you datecode your files, might I suggest coding them as 20020813 instead of 081302? That way, your system will sort them in the right order, since the most significant date information (year) comes first.

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That's a great suggestion for datecodes in general, but they're just visual cues for me when searching "Ch75." to get all the files for a specific parking garage and for identifying fax files or papers from the filename printed on the bottom in 14 point type and all the previous files in the series included underneath it in 8 point in the format: Account.content.datecode.rev.extension, it's just a convention that's worked for me in the world outside my CRT, the datecode can remain the same for revisions and means more to me than the Mac's created/modified convention which suffices for any computer searches of files, but once I find a group of them, I don't want to have to open them to to narrow the search and the accumulated filenames help me to avoidopening very many and can help in tracking jobs for billing.

A computer platform may be well designed from a technical standpoint in terms of information systems, and O.S. efficiency, but if the combination doesn't match the task requirements or working habits of real people, it still sucks! That's why they all do to a certain extent, it's just that the stuff from MordorSoft pulls an extra meter's worth of mercury on a vacuum scale.

jt ™.
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Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 10 Sep 2002 08:43:38

in general that is.

Now what was the st's saving grace?

well it was crap! which was good cos microsoft ignored it, this led to users(not druggies) writing thier own software cos of a lack of commercial interest.

the fs built into Tos (The Operating System used by st's) wasn't the best, though it is still head & shoulders above my Quadra's(os 8.1).

a few fs's were written. I myself allways used selectric. you could sort your files, you could list 24 files(about 4 or 5 in the mac's fs window?), you could copy files, delete files.

IN FACT YOU COULD USE IT FOR "file management"

This upset me more than anything else about the mac. I tear my hair out attempting to move a file from one place to another, let alone, convert, edit, cut, paste, view size date time created.

pc file selector is way behind selectric too.

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Wow, thanks. You just insulted a whole section of the world's population with that statement.

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