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markymark
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223 Posts
Posted - 27 Jul 2002 :  05:03:45

PowerMac 6100 HDI-45 to VGA


I've got my 6100 working with my SVGA monitor by bypassing the HDI-45 connector to a standard VGA female connector.


VGA female looking at back (solder tags)

1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15

---------------------------------


L3 L4 L6 L7 L8 L9 R7 R8 R9
are on the 6100 logic board just behind the HDI-45 plug.


There are two solder points for L3 L4 etc.

Solder to the point (of L3 L4 etc) that is closest
to the back of the Logic board (ie closest to the HDI-45 plug)
not the other solder point that is closest
to the front of the logic board.


L7 to vga 3
L8 to vga 1
L9 to vga 2

R8 and R9 joined together
(can be a diode between R8 and R9 but this
doesn't apply for a old PC SVGA monitor)


R7 to L3 then to vga (6 7 8 9 10) (vga 6 7 8 9 10 are all joined together)

L6 to vga 13
L4 to vga 14


I've got my VGA connector mounted above the adb, printer etc connectors.

markymark
Junior Member



223 Posts
Posted - 27 Jul 2002 :  05:10:36

Not really 68k but I hav'nt seen this info around so I thought it would be useful.

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candyPunk
Full Member


USA
856 Posts
Posted - 27 Jul 2002 :  22:27:52
Wow. That's the real deal. That's a serious hack. Markymark, you're just full of incredible technical knowledge. You and jt need to start a club...the "We're leagues ahead of the rest of you" club. Not 68k, but this impresses me! Oh, anyway, it CAN apply to 68k macs in some way. The audiovision 14 monitor (and maybe others?) for which that HDI-45 connector is made can be used on any 68k mac with an adapter. Maybe this info somehow can get around the need for that adpater. I would have no way to know!

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markymark
Junior Member



223 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2002 :  00:52:58


I left out in the earlier post that vga 11 should be connected to vga 6 7 8 9 10.


L9 L8 L7 R9 R8 R7 L6 R6 R5 L5 L4

|---------------------------------|
| |
| |
| HDI-45 | L3
| |
| |

BACK OF LOGIC BOARD

VGA FEMALE SOLDER TAG SIDE

1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15

---------------------------------


L3 L4 L6 L7 L8 L9 R7 R8 R9
are on the 6100 logic board just behind the HDI-45 plug.


There are two solder points for L3 L4 etc.

Solder to the point (of L3 L4 etc) that is closest
to the back of the Logic board (ie closest to the HDI-45 plug)
not the other solder point that is closest
to the front of the logic board.


L7 to vga 3
L8 to vga 1
L9 to vga 2

R8 and R9 joined together for vga svga mode


(can be a diode between R8 and R9
for 17"-21" VGA multiscan monitor

DIODE R9 --- <-- R8
(might have to reverse diode if monitor only supports upto 1024 x 768)

Might have to try the diode both ways.

R7 to L3 then to vga (6 7 8 9 10 11) (vga 6 7 8 9 10 11 are all joined together)


L6 to vga 13
L4 to vga 14

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markymark
Junior Member



223 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2002 :  00:55:14

My visually stunning diagram got messed up.


Just align the L3 line to the right side of the HDI-45 connector.

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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER


USA
2899 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2002 :  03:49:13
quote:



I left out in the earlier post that vga 11 should be connected to vga 6 7 8 9 10.


L9 L8 L7 R9 R8 R7 L6 R6 R5 L5 L4

|---------------------------------|
| |
| |
| HDI-45 | L3
| |
| |

BACK OF LOGIC BOARD

VGA FEMALE SOLDER TAG SIDE

1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15

---------------------------------


L3 L4 L6 L7 L8 L9 R7 R8 R9
are on the 6100 logic board just behind the HDI-45 plug.


There are two solder points for L3 L4 etc.

Solder to the point (of L3 L4 etc) that is closest
to the back of the Logic board (ie closest to the HDI-45 plug)
not the other solder point that is closest
to the front of the logic board.


L7 to vga 3
L8 to vga 1
L9 to vga 2

R8 and R9 joined together for vga svga mode


(can be a diode between R8 and R9
for 17"-21" VGA multiscan monitor

DIODE R9 --- <-- R8
(might have to reverse diode if monitor only supports upto 1024 x 768)

Might have to try the diode both ways.

R7 to L3 then to vga (6 7 8 9 10 11) (vga 6 7 8 9 10 11 are all joined together)


L6 to vga 13
L4 to vga 14




just needs </code> tags!

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markymark
Junior Member



223 Posts
Posted - 28 Jul 2002 :  05:00:12


Thanks.

That's the way it should be.

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markymark
Junior Member



223 Posts
Posted - 29 Jul 2002 :  01:32:17

6100 available Dram Video modes

640x480 @ 60 Hz (VGA)

640x480 @ 67 Hz (Mac) but also works on my PC SVGA.

832x624 @ 75 Hz (Mac)

With the monitor sense pins R8 and R9 joined together I get
640x480 @ 67 Hz (Mac).

Leaving the sense pins (R8 R9) unconnected
might give 640x480 @ 60 Hz (VGA) but I hav'nt tried it.

With the sense pins connected with the diode I was getting the
832x624 @ 75 Hz (Mac) mode which put my PC monitor in a spin.


The 1024 x 768 resolution info should be 832x624 @ 75 Hz
(the highest of the 6100 Dram Video modes).


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TiMacLover
Senior Member


USA
1282 Posts
Posted - 29 Jul 2002 :  02:23:16
Very nice.

Jeremy

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markymark
Junior Member



223 Posts
Posted - 30 Jul 2002 :  07:11:55


btw the solder points on the 6100 logic board are surface mount components so soldering care is needed.

I suggest doing a one time solder to the surface mount components points using some extension wire then use the other end of the wire for further soldering (ie attaching a diode etc).

I tried the R8 R9 without being connected together and I still got the 680x480 @ 67Hz (Mac) not the 640x480 @ 60hz (VGA).

Using the diode gives 832x624 @ 75 Hz (Mac) as well as the
680x480 @ 67Hz (Mac).

I used a VGA female connector but you could also use a Mac D shaped connector as well.

Just get the pinout diagrams ( rgb hsync vsync etc) for both connectors and map the connections.


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Flash
Full Member


Australia
637 Posts
Posted - 31 Jul 2002 :  19:27:09
Nice work mark

Personally I'd leave out any diodes and/or sense pin wiring when soldering. That way the mac can sense what monitor I'm plugging in rather than being permanently set at one resolution

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markymark
Junior Member



223 Posts
Posted - 15 Aug 2002 :  00:19:15


If you can't find an adapter cable there is a better way to do it than soldering connections to the logic board.

VGA HDI45

Blue 03 45
Blue ground Ground 44
Red 01 27
Red ground Ground 26
Green 02 11
Green ground Ground 10
Hsync 13 42
Vsync 14 33

Ground 06,07,08,09,10,11 43

Monitor Sense Pins HDI45 09 18 joined together
(can be diode for multisync monitors)
and HDI45 08 left unconnected for VGA

if HDI45 08 is grounded all mac (non vga) resolutions appear
in the monitors control panel


This is for a HDI-45 to PC style VGA adapter and will also work with other mac models (not just the 6100) that use the infamous HDI-45 connector.


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