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thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 12 Jul 2002 : 19:12:09 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2038332688 I don't know what it is, just seeing if anybody here did. _______________________ Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist - 950 division Liberated Macs: 12 SEE IF MY NEWTON IS ONLINE AT nsa68k.kicks-ass.net *
macdaddy Junior Member USA 107 Posts	Posted - 12 Jul 2002 : 19:21:19 Looks like a Centris 610 mobo to me, probably is, since the seller reports it having the 20 MHz 'LC040 in it. macdaddy - 68KMLA Field Meteorologist 68Ks at my base: Q840AV,Q800, Q605, D280/DuoDock II,P550, LC 475,LCIII+,(2) LCIIIs,IIci, P410,LCII,Mac II Contraband: (2) PM G3/300 MTs, P6360, 5400/120,Q700/PPC 601, (2) 6100/66s
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 12 Jul 2002 : 20:25:01 quote: Looks like a Centris 610 mobo to me, probably is, since the seller reports it having the 20 MHz 'LC040 in it. macdaddy - 68KMLA Field Meteorologist 68Ks at my base: Q840AV,Q800, Q605, D280/DuoDock II,P550, LC 475,LCIII+,(2) LCIIIs,IIci, P410,LCII,Mac II Contraband: (2) PM G3/300 MTs, P6360, 5400/120,Q700/PPC 601, (2) 6100/66s Yep. Definately a Centris 610. -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 12 Jul 2002 : 23:19:21 that makes sense since that's one of the few 68k macs i haven't seen the inside of, thanks! _______________________ Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist - 950 division Liberated Macs: 12 SEE IF MY NEWTON IS ONLINE AT nsa68k.kicks-ass.net *
aftermac New Member USA 80 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 05:41:29 The Centris 610 only has 2 memory slots. The mobo in the picture has 4. My guess is a Centris 650. Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 06:53:50 quote: The Centris 610 only has 2 memory slots. The mobo in the picture has 4. My guess is a Centris 650. Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock It can't be. I've worked on Centris 650's, and they use a more narrow logic board. Also, the power connector is different, and the internal SCSI plug is in a different place. It looks to me like a PM61xx form factor board, so i'm guessing its either a Centris 610 or 660AV mobo. -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 07:29:57 quote: quote: The Centris 610 only has 2 memory slots. The mobo in the picture has 4. My guess is a Centris 650. It can't be. I've worked on Centris 650's, and they use a more narrow logic board. Also, the power connector is different, and the internal SCSI plug is in a different place. It looks to me like a PM61xx form factor board, so i'm guessing its either a Centris 610 or 660AV mobo. it's a special protoype for the WGS 950, with a slotless architecture intended to save apple a $14.65 on every unit sold. it's almost unheard of today because it was known by the code name "turtleneck". (who needs expansion capability in the best server ever?) <rolleyes> actually, did the server version of the 610 box have more memory slots than the 610? that'd make sense. jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 07:37:04 BINGO, there was no way i could resist the curiosity so i checked out applespec. 4 SIMM slots in a 610 box, that's what it is allright, WGS 60, if nobody else wants it i'm going to try to nab it at the end of the auction. jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
aftermac New Member USA 80 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 07:54:17 quote: It looks to me like a PM61xx form factor board, so i'm guessing its either a Centris 610 or 660AV mobo. I have a Centris 610 and there is no way that it is that motherboard, the Centris only has 2 memory slots. The 660AV also only has 2 memory slots. I'm not at home right now, so I can't check my Q650, which is the same as the C650 with a full '040. quote: it's a special protoype for the WGS 950, with a slotless architecture intended to save apple a $14.65 on every unit sold. it's almost unheard of today because it was known by the code name "turtleneck". (who needs expansion capability in the best server ever?) <rolleyes> actually, did the server version of the 610 box have more memory slots than the 610? that'd make sense. I've never seen an Apple server with a 68LC040 processor. Their servers all have full 68040's. Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock
macdaddy Junior Member USA 107 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 08:15:07 quote: 4 SIMM slots in a 610 box Notice, however, if you look closer at the slots, 2 of 'em are narrower than the other 2. The narrower ones would be for the 68 pin VRAM SIMMS, then the wider slots are your 72 pin RAM SIMM slots. Everymac reports that "3. Both 256k SIMMs can be replaced with 512k SIMMs for 1 MB." So, definitely those two slots nearest the SCSI connector/ports are VRAM slots macdaddy - 68KMLA Field Meteorologist 68Ks at my base: Q840AV,Q800, Q605, D280/DuoDock II,P550, LC 475,LCIII+,(2) LCIIIs,IIci, P410,LCII,Mac II Contraband: (2) PM G3/300 MTs, P6360, 5400/120,Q700/PPC 601, (2) 6100/66s
aftermac New Member USA 80 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 08:31:27 quote: quote: 4 SIMM slots in a 610 box Notice, however, if you look closer at the slots, 2 of 'em are narrower than the other 2. The narrower ones would be for the 68 pin VRAM SIMMS, then the wider slots are your 72 pin RAM SIMM slots. Everymac reports that "3. Both 256k SIMMs can be replaced with 512k SIMMs for 1 MB." So, definitely those two slots nearest the SCSI connector/ports are VRAM slots Aha, good eye! The picture is so distorted it's hard to tell. Based on this latest evidence, I renig my claim that it is absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt not a Centris 610. Appologies. Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock Edited by - aftermac on 13 Jul 2002 08:32:06
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 10:33:19 quote: quote: quote: 4 SIMM slots in a 610 box those two slots nearest the SCSI connector/ports are VRAM slots Aha, good eye! The picture is so distorted it's hard to tell. concur, it's difficult to tell them apart on micromac's piccies! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2038332688 http://www.micromac.com/macpixpages/a_mac_centris_610.html this is the Centris 610 for sure, the Sonic controller and the AAUI connector for built-in ethernet are both missing on the eBay board. micromac's pic is of a Quadra 610, they use the same pic for the all the rest of the 610 format boards too! http://www.micromac.com/macpixpages/a_mac_quadra_610.html http://www.micromac.com/macpixpages/a_mac_quadra_610_dos.html http://www.micromac.com/macpixpages/a_workgroup_server_60.html i wonder what the WGS 60 really looks like or if applespec is wrong yet again? jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 13 Jul 2002 10:38:55
aftermac New Member USA 80 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 11:35:32 quote: i wonder what the WGS 60 really looks like or if applespec is wrong yet again? Don't know, I googled 'til I can't google no more trying to find a picture of one. None on eBay either. The Applespec DB has a note on the Q610 saying, "Some units shipped with a 68LC040 processor (no FPU), and some shipped with a full 68040 processor." However, AAUI was standard on the Q610 (at least according to Applespec ), and optional on the Centris (my Centris just happens to have one). Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock
danamania Official 68k Muse Australia 1193 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 23:09:46 For a nice piccy of a q610 motherboard, slightly more detailed than other versions... http://www.danamania.com/temp/q610.jpg no wgs ones here however :) dana
danamania Official 68k Muse Australia 1193 Posts	Posted - 13 Jul 2002 : 23:16:31 quote: actually, did the server version of the 610 box have more memory slots than the 610? that'd make sense. If you mean the WGSs - from what I remember, they were like performas - different only in the software bundled with them, ie a performa xx01, xx02, xx03 etc is just a powermac xx00 with certain software.... and the WGS xx50 is the same as the base one - but came with the server software preinstalled. dana (me. birthday. today. wooo!)
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 14 Jul 2002 : 06:03:27 quote: quote: actually, did the server version of the 610 box have more memory slots than the 610? that'd make sense. If you mean the WGSs - from what I remember, they were like performas - different only in the software bundled with them . . . . (me. birthday. today. wooo!) the clowns that maintain applespec probably just got another one wrong! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! thinks: extra chocolate icing right from the bowl! YUMMY! jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 14 Jul 2002 : 06:27:09 quote: dana (me. birthday. today. wooo!) HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!! Yes, i know i only have like half an hour to say this, but wtf anyway. Hope you have a good day, and may all your FeetsMacs be happy. -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
aftermac New Member USA 80 Posts	Posted - 14 Jul 2002 : 07:17:38 quote: slightly more detailed than other versions... Slightly? (takes a step back from the screen) Doesn't matter if you can see the difference, you can read what it says on the mobo. Aftermac A bandoned, F orgotten, T ortured, E ndangered, R etro, M acintosh, A cquisition, C ommando 5 Apples, 23 liberated 68k's, 9 contraband PPC's, and a Duo Dock
G4from128k Full Member USA 873 Posts	Posted - 14 Jul 2002 : 14:21:45 quote: For a nice piccy of a q610 motherboard, slightly more detailed than other versions... http://www.danamania.com/temp/q610.jpg no wgs ones here however :) dana Happy Birthday! (I think its still your birthday in this timezone) Oh, and can you create a more detailed version of the q610, I can't quite see all the transistors on the 040. G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent & User of the Hockey Puck Mouse of Radial Symmetry
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 14 Jul 2002 : 18:10:58 quote: Oh, and can you create a more detailed version of the q610, I can't quite see all the transistors on the 040. HAR!� -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 14 Jul 2002 : 18:55:46 quote: quote: Oh, and can you create a more detailed version of the q610, I can't quite see all the transistors on the 040. HAR!� DON'T GET HER STARTED!!!!! SHEESH!!!!!!! <rolleyes> don't you guys have any sense at all!?!! i can just picture the maniac right now, sanding the top off of a 68LC040 (she wouldn't waste one of the good ones ) so she can scan it into a Big@$$ file and then install it to watch it run with the lid off just for fun! jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 14 Jul 2002 : 20:36:10 quote: DON'T GET HER STARTED!!!!! SHEESH!!!!!!! <rolleyes> don't you guys have any sense at all!?!! i can just picture the maniac right now, sanding the top off of a 68LC040 (she wouldn't waste one of the good ones ) so she can scan it into a Big@$$ file and then install it to watch it run with the lid off just for fun! LOL! Whispers to Dana "C'mon Maniac, don't listen to him...DO IT!!!!" -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6

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