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shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
 Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 13:02:27
I got my Performa 400. It is a cutie. here are the specsP400
14"monitor(db15)RGB
80 meg hard drive
1.44meg inject floppy drive
4 meg of ram
Apple stylewriter II printer
1 button mouse
small keyboard(no f keys)
a few manuals
a 8pin mini din to 25 pin d serial cable (:-))(I am keeping this) I am thinking of keeping the monitor to use with my 840av(for watching tv) I have a cdr coming so I will copy word off the hard drive and then I will be selling the rest. The computer works very well, but it is a little grubby.
shaktiman
Quadra 840av
84meg ram
2meg vram
cd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)
1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(
1.2 gig drive
500 meg drive
Compaq 15" monitor
os 8.1
56k modem
Stylewriter 1200 printer
Zodiac speakers
Umax 1220s scanner
3 year old son! |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 14:33:01
Glad to hear the Performa arrived safely. Sounds like a good plan you have for it, but out of curiousity, does the Quaddie have another video card in a NuBus slot? I know your @#%$paq monitor may blow, but it can probably support higher resolutions than the Performa display.-------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5
68k Macintosh Liberation Army
Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 17:29:49
yeah, my performa plus display only does 640x480. i think the regular performa display does 512x384. Monitors are always nice to have a spare of, you never know when you might get another mac that needs a display._______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12 |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 18:07:43
quote:
yeah, my performa plus display only does 640x480. i think the regular performa display does 512x384. Monitors are always nice to have a spare of, you never know when you might get another mac that needs a display.
nope, same specs, crappier dot pitch on the low end monitor, better on the plus model.jt  ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 00:48:33
Yes the monitor is hardly ideal, but it will cost a bomb to post it & I dont have a better one. Maybe when I get my projector I will sell the monitor.Yes I have a nubus card with a db 15 port sticking out. shaktiman Quadra 840av
84meg ram
2meg vram
cd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)
1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(
1.2 gig drive
500 meg drive
Compaq 15" monitor
os 8.1
56k modem
Stylewriter 1200 printer
Zodiac speakers
Umax 1220s scanner
3 year old son! |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 03:45:04
quote:
Yes I have a nubus card with a db 15 port sticking out.
Well then, you have a second video card. Plug in the Performa monitor to this card, and have a dual monitor monster! I once tried it on my PB165c (while it was still alive... ) and its VERY fun, let me tell you!  -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5
68k Macintosh Liberation Army
Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 06:47:21
quote:
quote:
Yes I have a nubus card with a db 15 port sticking out.
Well then, you have a second video card. Plug in the Performa monitor to this card, and have a dual monitor monster! I once tried it on my PB165c (while it was still alive...) and its VERY fun, let me tell you!
verify that it's a DB-15 MONITOR connector on a video card and not a ThickNet connector on an ethernet card if you haven't tried a monitor on it yet unless you KNOW it's a video card!jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 11:25:03
A Shll bloody smack ya one Trash.It is a video card but I know where Trash is coming from but perhaps this babysitting me malarky is going just a tad too far. A dual monitor monster it is. shaktiman Quadra 840av
84meg ram
2meg vram
cd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)
1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(
1.2 gig drive
500 meg drive
Compaq 15" monitor
os 8.1
56k modem
Stylewriter 1200 printer
Zodiac speakers
Umax 1220s scanner
3 year old son! |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 11:32:49
quote:
A Shll bloody smack ya one Trash.It is a video card
i said to make sure if you weren't. somebody had just plugged three seperate monitors nto an Asante ethtenet card with the "video connector" on it and somebody else posted he might have wrecked THREE monitors doing it.i didn't think it sounded right and i though i'd remembered tha tyou'd gotten a nubus vid card, but did you really want me to take a chance on letting you kill your new monitor? no offence intended shakti . . . . . . 'sides, i punch back . . . HARD!  jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 11:37:21
I now think my performa has 10 meg, according to my computer thing that is from the apple menu.shaktiman Quadra 840av
84meg ram
2meg vram
cd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)
1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(
1.2 gig drive
500 meg drive
Compaq 15" monitor
os 8.1
56k modem
Stylewriter 1200 printer
Zodiac speakers
Umax 1220s scanner
3 year old son! |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 11:43:31
You are correct Trash.I would have thanked you if it had been other than a video card. are you angry with me? Anyhow rest assured I knew it was a video card & I am not into the habbit of plugging things in unless I am 99% sure they will not damage my computer. The picture in my head from your reply is that maybe you think I'm a hobo who picks up any old junk and tries to connect it. I am really starting to like you Trash. shaktiman Quadra 840av
84meg ram
2meg vram
cd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)
1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(
1.2 gig drive
500 meg drive
Compaq 15" monitor
os 8.1
56k modem
Stylewriter 1200 printer
Zodiac speakers
Umax 1220s scanner
3 year old son! |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 11:59:37
quote:
are you angry with me?
nobody online has EVER seen me loose my temper!
quote:
Anyhow rest assured I knew it was a video card & I am not into the habbit of plugging things in unless I am 99% sure they will not damage my computer.
i figured that, you're actually more cautious than i am, i just try to be 90% sure it won't cause a fire! [;D]
quote:
The picture in my head from your reply is that maybe you think I'm a hobo who picks up any old junk and tries to connect it.
i try not to be judgemental and i have been observed on occasion to exhibit patience with posters who are obviously clueless, but seem to be willing to learn.btw ,you were never even close to being that far down the food chain, shak!
quote:
I am really starting to like you Trash.
*  oops!*no worries, mate, you'll get over that! *reminds himself to stick with the grumpy old coot routine!* jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2002 : 22:29:55
quote:
i try not to be judgemental and i have been observed on occasion to exhibit patience
with posters who are obviously clueless, but seem to be willing to learn.
btw ,you were never even close to being that far down the food chain, shak!
Perhaps this is due to me having had experience with ST's. When I got my pc it just annoyed the hell outa me. It would save all sorts of files to all sorts of locations. I felt like I had completly lost control(of the computer) pc's do they babysit you or do they maliciously hide details from you? either way(Monkey quote coming up)"I don't like it" I think I am very much a man who knows that "he will have to make it work", rather than expecting it to just switch on & do everything I expect of it, which, hey is the reason I ditched my pc & I have gotten so much out of building my Quadra up. When I first got it I had: a Quadra 840av with 500 meg hard drive
system 7.1.1 on a floppy
cd rom(no caddy) Now check out the stats in my profile.
shaktiman Quadra 840av
84meg ram
2meg vram
cd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)
1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(
1.2 gig drive
Compaq 15" monitor
os 8.1
56k modem
Stylewriter 1200 printer
Zodiac speakers
Umax 1220s scanner
3 year old son! Edited by - shaktiman on 11 Jul 2002 22:35:23 |
0ldsch00lpunk
Starting Member
USA
31 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2002 : 06:51:37
 Actually PC's are a lot easier than you'd think...I feel like I've got a lot more control over what and where things go on an Intel box than I do with a MAC remembering that I 've worked with and on PC's for 20 years and MAC's for the last 6 months or so.I like the fact that MAC's tend to use much less hard drive space for their apps but I have real problems with the junk left behind by the installation and use the trash can an awful lot. What I really have a problem with is the fact that MAC programs generally come in two pieces (data and resource "forks") and file associations aren't always automatic. On a PC you just download the file and run the executable and away you go no file associations needed. In any case...just my two or three cents... Own several PC's running several OS's and Emulators and .....
a Performa 572..... 0ldsch00lpunk |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2002 : 15:21:17
Indeed there are different levels to this argument. There is a "deep" lack of freedom with using other platforms compared to the st. So the more commercial platforms. I will make this clear, if the st(Tos/Gem) had the support I needed I would ditch other computers immediatly. What shocks me about the 68kmac scene is the lack of decent software. I could probably name about 30 pieces of formatting software for the st & about 3 replacement file selectors. The basic desktop & file handling on my Quadra is worse than bad. Basic file handling on a pc is fair. What I dont like about the pc is the zillions of unidentified files that lurk in its recesses. A problem with the mac is that I tear my hair out trying to find configuration files. My Quadra works & is the best machine I have owned though. ST just got low low support. shaktiman Quadra 840av84meg ram2meg vramcd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(1.2 gig driveCompaq 15" monitoros 8.156k modemStylewriter 1200 printerZodiac speakersUmax 1220sscanner3 year old son! |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2002 : 16:37:08
quote:
Indeed there are different levels to this argument.
as with most arguments of any importance!
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The basic desktop & file handling on my Quadra is worse than bad. Basic file handling on a pc is fair. What I dont like about the pc is the zillions of unidentified files that lurk in its recesses. A problem with the mac is that I tear my hair out trying to find configuration files.
i started on Tandy/CPM, moved to Commodore 64, then DOS with the Tandy 1000SX and got framework and a couple of other programs and never really got into gear while i read all the docs and tried to figure things out. when i got the 512k at home and the SE at work, suddenly, learning about the Mac made things i knew, but hadn't put together yet on all the other platformw at once and suddenly i just understood how computers worked in general.i kid around bashing peecees a lot, but i have a lot of respect for them, even for windows 3.x! for a while there, a 386sx i purpose built for running Win 3.0 and CorelDraw blew the doors off every graphics package (illustration) on the Mac, Freehand and Illustrator finally caught up enough for me to move back to the Mac, but by the end of the Quadra era, the software selection advantage swung over to the PC and is't love of the mac and hatred of mordorsoft that keeps me a mac fanatic. if the Mac had an option to use extensions and wildcards, i'd REALLY be happy, one of these days i'll probably play with Linux, so far i don't really have any need to use OSX for anything, hopefully i'll set it up for browsing, but it'll be a pain to reboot just for that. WAU! thassa lotta drivel!!!!  jt ™.
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C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2002 : 16:45:01
There aren't really any configuration files for anything. However, if you need to go back to something's default configuration, you can go to Macintosh HD: System Folder: Preferences and delete the Preferences file. The only time you need to use a text editor to mess with configuration files is when you're on UNIX () or Windoze ().As for disk formatters, you only need HD SC Setup or Drive Setup. If you need to format or partition a third party disk, there are ResEdit hacks you can do to enable these to do it. You can use the FWB Toolkit or SilverLining if you really need it, but you usually don't. If you hate the Finder, try Greg's Browser. It's like column view in OS X. If you think the Mac OS isn't customizeable, pay a visit to http://www.resexcellence.com/ and look at some of the hacks they have there. There are all kinds of things you can do with the Mac interface. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
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Macs Liberated: SE (2), IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400/200, Performa 6400/180
PCs liberated from Windoze: 3 |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2002 : 01:36:16
quote:
There aren't really any configuration files for anything. However, if you need to go back to something's default configuration, you
can go to Macintosh HD: System Folder: Preferences and delete the Preferences file. The only time you need to use a text editor to
mess with configuration files is when you're on UNIX () or Windoze ().
The ST The ST, but then on the ST we got software where you could edit the text file by hand or by a simple editor. quote:
As for disk formatters, you only need HD SC Setup or Drive Setup. If you need to format or partition a third party disk, there are
ResEdit hacks you can do to enable these to do it. You can use the FWB Toolkit or SilverLining if you really need it, but you
usually don't.
What can I say? You are proving my point that the availability isnt there cos "you only need", that is like saying you only need to have a pair of pliers in your toolbox cos you can hammer with pliers as well. quote:
If you hate the Finder, try Greg's Browser. It's like column view in OS X.
Compared to Gregs Browser I am in love with Finder. It is giving me the shivers just mentioning Gregs Browser. quote:
If you think the Mac OS isn't customizeable, pay a visit to http://www.resexcellence.com/ and look at some of the hacks they have
there. There are all kinds of things you can do with the Mac interface.
I will pay a visit. The best thing about Mac is me spring loaded files Once you get the hang of spring loaded you calm down alot As for the bulk of your reply Macman, all you are saying to me is that you personally prefer Mac OS whereas I prefer Tos/Gem. I must get round to emailing the Selectric guy to get him to replace Finders file selector. shaktiman Quadra 840av84meg ram2meg vramcd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(1.2 gig driveCompaq 15" monitoros 8.156k modemStylewriter 1200 printerZodiac speakersUmax 1220sscanner3 year old son! |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2002 : 01:44:37
quote:
Amiga using
I sholda guessed Danamania was an Amiga user. Lol ST's v Amiga's hey anyway we have both ended up on Mac OS and Mac OS is "workable". I am on thew mac platform cos it cost me £500 for a decent set-up wheras a Tos/Gem set-up woulda cost me £2000 for the equivalent. shaktiman Quadra 840av84meg ram2meg vramcd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(1.2 gig driveCompaq 15" monitoros 8.156k modemStylewriter 1200 printerZodiac speakersUmax 1220sscanner3 year old son! |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2002 : 02:02:09
I forgot to say that I have never used OS X nor, Linux or any other of those bizzare things ie:- unix, linux.Linux appears to be a bland Windows clone put there to appease corporate rebels, and it probably does improve upon windows, but it dosnt look to me anything like the alternative I am looking for. Magic works but is better on an Atari.
Tos/Gem Oh if only I could get the hardware
Mac OS Workable
Windows Works if you have "the right set-up"(set-up according to what windows ppl decide you want.)
Problem is with Windows that you set it up how you want it but then you run a new program which changes a load of preferences. & I think that if you are a computer nerd and enjoy learning every aspect of the OS then you can work with windows.
Amiga OS, now I used it sparingly a couple of times, You seem to need "libraries" for everything & well lets just say it didnt work for me. If I could infect Mac OS with a few Tos/Gem traits then this would put a big smile on my face shaktiman Quadra 840av84meg ram2meg vramcd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(1.2 gig driveCompaq 15" monitoros 8.156k modemStylewriter 1200 printerZodiac speakersUmax 1220sscanner3 year old son! |
~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2002 : 06:14:00
quote:
What shocks me about the 68kmac scene is the lack of decent software. I could probably name about 30 pieces of formatting software for the st & about 3 replacement file selectors.
While I may use a pair or pliers and a hammer, I don't need 30 pliers. Besides, this argument is pretty irrelevant: you're not the person who would know about the hundreds of software titles that came out on 68k Macs. It's a lot more than the Amiga world.quote:
The basic desktop & file handling on my Quadra is worse than bad.
Basic file handling on a pc is fair.
Again, this comes from experience. I could make a blanket statement right now that the file handling of an Amiga is simply atrocious. It all comes down to ones opinion.quote:
ST just got low low support.
There's a reason for that, you know...~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
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0ldsch00lpunk
Starting Member
USA
31 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2002 : 06:49:09
Here's and easy way to compress all this stuff down to a couple pretty simple statements.1)Everyone has their preferences as to OS, Utilities and Apps.
2)Every OS has it's strengths and weeknesses. It's nice to see that although we all stand behind our favorites that we can get along and help each other out. Peace guys and gals, 0ldsch00lpunk |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2002 : 08:53:39
quote:
quote:
1)Everyone has their preferences as to OS, Utilities and Apps.
2)Every OS has it's strengths and weeknesses.
These two simplify even further to Dana & jt's Rule Of Computing 1) Computers Suck :D dana
that'd be dana's Rule Of Computing and jt's Corollaries!
quote:
all computers suck!
all OS's SUCK!
all applications REALLY SUCK!!!!!to varying degrees at different times for all sorts of reasons. bleh!
btw: "jt" is LOWER CASE ONLY! 
jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 16 Jul 2002 08:55:38 |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2002 : 13:27:20
I dont use an Amiga,I very much like to have 30 pairs of pliers though at the moment I only have 3 I also have 3 hammers. shaktiman Quadra 840av84meg ram2meg vramcd drive(caddy),1 caddy!:-)1.44 floppy drive,inject :-(1.2 gig driveCompaq 15" monitoros 8.156k modemStylewriter 1200 printerZodiac speakersUmax 1220sscanner3 year old son! |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2002 : 02:22:45
quote:
btw: "jt" is LOWER CASE ONLY!
Ok ok i get the picture now.  -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5
68k Macintosh Liberation Army
Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
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MyPerforma400
68k of the Week: kastegir's PowerBook 180.