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MrLynn
Junior Member
USA
394 Posts |
 Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 08:53:42
A correspondent complains about OS X, its bloated size and system requirements, and laments,"Why can't I get a 1GHz box that runs System 7? It's not like I have anything new I want to do!" Would this not be an interesting project for some in this group? How better to keep 68K software alive? What's required? A new 68K chip that will run at 1GHz? Or a version of System 7 that will run natively on a PPC? The former takes a chip manufacturer--the latter just programming. Here's a challenge for you developers! Of course the NEW System 7 should have true multi-tasking and protected memory. But it should run all the 68K software that ran on the old System 7 (which includes many of the programs that ran under System 6). I used to run Word 5.1a, Excel 3.0, FileMakerPro 3.0, PageMaker 6.01, and even Photoshop 2.01 on my 40mHz IIfx with System 7.l. And iCab works--just too slowly! And of course the new System 7 should fit on just one or two HD diskettes! /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days). |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 09:07:06
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And of course the new System 7 should fit on just one or two HD diskettes!
HAR! diskettes! OSX crap wouldn't fit on a coupla 100MB ZIPs!seriously tho, sounds like a job for the old hydra card(?). it was a mac on an ISA card that plunked into a peecee and ran some system or other in a window under windows(?) with a pair of Plus (?) ROMs added to sockets on it. sounds like a mac ROM installed on a legacy ISA or a PCI card and running the mac in an X-window or what-not under Linux might be something that would work. if it was done that way, apple's legal weasels couldn't even complain about anything. 6.0.8, 7.0.1• & and 7.5.3 supported using Plus ROM pulls should be flat out legal no matter what they might try to pull to get you to stop if they cared to notice at all. dunno, i play with hardware, this software stuff isn't my thing! jt  ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 09:18:03
just realized that IIsi or IIci ROMs would be a lot better. they're 32bit clean, color capable and support addressing a lot more memory.i also thought it might be best to treat memory like a RAM disk that could run in protected mode under linux so the bombs wouldn't take the whole system down, but thats just a WAG, i don' know squat about this stuff. i don't know if you'd want anything more than some legacy mac i/o on the card, would the main system's proc be enough, ADB's proprietary and could pose a problem for some whacky hardware if support for that kind of thing was really a priority. dunno, just thinkin' in ascii! jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
G4from128k
Full Member
USA
873 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 09:50:20
Hmmmm... Want's the speed ratio for emulated 68k code on a G4? Must be some (admittedly horribly kludgy) way of running OS 7's 68k code on a 1 GHz G4. Isn't there some emulator that lets you run Mac 128k software on a more modern Mac? Maybe someone could create a 840AV emulator....Just a thought (no necessarily a good one though)
G4From128k
by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist
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Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent
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cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 10:31:18
Personally, I think 8.6 would be a better OS to run on a Dual 1GHz for sheer speed. One has to admit, 8.6 is probably the best OS Apple ever made, because it supports all the hardware and software you have or need on a G3-G4, and has a brutally quicker GUI than 9.x or 10.x.666th poster and 666th thread-creator
Mod of the Mac II series Forums
Total 68K Macs liberated: 7
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 10:45:57
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Personally, I think 8.6 would be a better OS to run on a Dual 1GHz for sheer speed. One has to admit, 8.6 is probably the best OS Apple ever made, because it supports all the hardware and software you have or need on a G3-G4, and has a brutally quicker GUI than 9.x or 10.x.
that'd hardly be a 68kMLA endeavor, however!btw: encouraging the use of an available apple-downloadable commercial O.S. release and what would usually wind up being illegal images, as opposed to much more expensive ROMs pulled from obsolescent vs. legal ROMs pulled from dirt cheap obsolete machines would be tantamount to suicide. as a group activity, neither really appeals to me!  jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 10:54:18
Hey, I was just saying... 666th poster and 666th thread-creator
Mod of the Mac II series Forums
Total 68K Macs liberated: 7
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 11:30:51
System 7 probably doesn't support things like USB, firewire, agp bus, larger memory, etc. Now, what could be possible is to make a gui on top of darwin that is incredibly basic with no frills or anything that would be processor intensive (like the early days of osx server, with the os9 interface). _______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12 Edited by - thelip on 10 Jul 2002 11:31:23 |
oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 12:03:37
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Now, what could be possible is to make a gui on top of darwin that is incredibly basic with no frills or anything that would be processor intensive (like the early days of osx server, with the os9 interface).
It's called OpenStep, and it's already been done. A Postscript-based, easy-to-use, efficient GUI running on top of Apple's Objective-C framework running on top of the Mach microkernel. A large base of free software (like the Lighthouse apps). And OpenStep will run on a 1+ GHz P4 box. And it does support AGP graphics through its VESA 2.0 driver. And it supports however much memory you can give it, though it will run with as little as 32 MB. See my NeXT page at the address below. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/
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PCs liberated from Windoze: 3 |
MrLynn
Junior Member
USA
394 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 18:20:29
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System 7 probably doesn't support things like USB, firewire, agp bus, larger memory, etc.
So if you modernized System 7 to support all these things and run on PPCs, what would you end up with--OS 9?  /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days). |
thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 18:31:50
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And OpenStep will run on a 1+ GHz P4 box.
Yeah, but openstep doesn't work on macs. I don't own a pc. quote:
So if you modernized System 7 to support all these things and run on PPCs, what would you end up with--OS 9?
Yes, i would guess so. _______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12 |
~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2002 : 06:14:40
I think the whole point is moot, too.~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
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A 1GHz Mac that runs System 7?
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