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Da Penguin
Senior Member
USA
1094 Posts |
 Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 05:32:33
I just had a strange thought when i fell outta bed this morning...68k macs are around (some over some not) 20 years old. So whats going to happen 20 years from now? I got a chill going through my bones when i thought there would probably be a "Pre-G5 liberation Army" or something to that extent. Had a whole bunch of scary thoughts. Then I woke up. But still, just wondered if I'm crazy and need to sleep more or if other people out there have any thoughts like that.... ~The Philosophical-mood-ish Penguin
| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy |
There is only one path and that is the path that you take, but you can take more than one path.
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Flash
Full Member
Australia
637 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 07:25:08
...and Compact Macs would be referring to iMacs!68k MLA ParaMedic |
thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 07:30:39
... and superdrives of today would be like superdrives of the past  ..._______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12 |
~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 07:31:49
It's pretty cool when you think that in 20 years time you'll pick up a G4 tower for spare change...  ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
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danamania
Official 68k Muse
Australia
1193 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 07:33:47
quote:
It's pretty cool when you think that in 20 years time you'll pick up a G4 tower for spare change...
...and some of us will pick up a pair for free - one with a geforce 4 titanium or something in it
dana
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GORDOOM
Junior Member
Canada
208 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 07:50:11
Actually, given the way things are going now w.r.t. IP legislation, the computers of today will probably be illegal in twenty years - you know, as "DRM-circumvention devices?"
GORDOOM
Commander, Academic Operations Reserve
(University of Toronto, St. George Campus)
total Macs liberated: 22
(as of June 5, 2002) "...the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do." |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 08:36:12
quote:
Actually, given the way things are going now w.r.t. IP legislation, the computers of today will probably be illegal in twenty years - you know, as "DRM-circumvention devices?"
have you got a worse one in the works up there than we do in the states? anything currently in use when it's passed would be grandfathered, they can't make computers illegal after they're bought and paid for, they can only require the new stuff to be compliant. from what i remember of the articles, they were only talking about networked computers, so standalones would be ok anyway, dunno.the RIAA makes mordorsoft look the benevolent despot! what a bunch of greedy scumbags! if the artists had anything like a fair deal i might not even be against that kind of IP legislation, as it stands now, they're trying to enslave the consumer as well as the artist. i'm more worried about conservation legislation, in 10 years, every CPU made before the next big advance in energy saving technology could be made illegal in order "to conserve energy", unless you get a permit to run it in the winter as a space heater/CPU! jt  .
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 05 Jul 2002 08:38:22 |
~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 08:55:19
The energy conservation thing could be beneficial, it would effectively outlaw all Athlons and P4s!  ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
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oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 09:25:50
In twenty years, they still won't have made a better operating system than OpenStep. Hopefully it will run on the Pentium XX - just imagine how fast that will be!Mac OS X will finally feel fast. After all, UNIX will be 50. Linux will be even more cryptic and geek-oriented than it already is. "Low End Mac" will run stories about getting the most out of your G4. They'll think of Marathon and STV:EF the same way we think of Pong - "How did this ever pass as a video game?" PCs will still have the same dumb floppy controller that they do today. Apple will have declared CDs obsolete, outfitting all new Macs with DVD drives only. In twenty years, the music on the radio will still suck. However, I'll still have my iMac (with the iSub that I will have rescued from the trash) to play bebop jazz and Pink Floyd. And my Trash80 CoCo 1 will still boot M$ Basic with the press of a switch! Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/
Macs Liberated: SE, IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400
PCs liberated from Windoze: 3 |
Kady Mae
Junior Member
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 09:49:19
quote:
anything currently in use when it's passed would be grandfathered, they can't make computers illegal after they're bought and paid for, they can only require the new stuff to be compliant. from what i remember of the articles, they were only talking about networked computers, so standalones would be ok anyway, dunno.
Why do you think I haunt PC fairs for a kick ass soundcard with a line in feature? Why do you think I have a spare set of analog speakers? Why do you think I have a 7600 that once lived in my U's film studies department sitting in the garage? Why do you think that as soon as I get the spare change together for used dual proc g4 that my beloved Ad Astra, with all of her analog video editing equipment is going to be carefully stored away? (The bulk of my PC functions will then move over to Goatboy.) Why do you think that I have a few spare working VCRs? Why do you think I'm so incredibly pissed that ATI has never made an "All in Wonder" for the Mac? Why do you think I've never gotten the "firmware update" for my Plextor CD-Burner? (It will still do "raw mode" copies -- something disabled by the update.) Why do you think I've asked my dad for his ancient (actually rather crappy) smart and friendly CD burner? The Lockdown is coming. 68K's liberated: 0
68Ks adopted to loving homes: 2
PowerMacs adopted: 1 |
catsdorule
Senior Member
Canada
1627 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 10:04:14
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Marchie
Chaplain
USA
911 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 10:05:10
None are 20 yet. The original Mac was released January 24th, 1984 (the day my little sister was born.)That makes a Mac 128k not even legal to drink in Canada. ~Marchie ~Chaplain Marchie
Admin of The WonderLAN
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Captain Z
Mobile Ops Commander
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 10:31:49
Ah, but they are legally able to buy cigarettes. Try telling that to a convinience store clerk.I had an old PC at one point (before I got my first Mac, never ran Windows even, only DOS 3.3). An IBM PC XT, built in October 1982. The same month I was born. ------------------
Captain Z - Mobile Operations Commander
68K Macintosh Liberation Army
20 68K Macs Liberated Visit Captain Z's Starbase of EV Stuff Edited by - Captain Z on 05 Jul 2002 10:32:28 |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 10:33:28
quote:
None are 20 yet. The original Mac was released January 24th, 1984 (the day my little sister was born.)
when was the lisa released?18.4 years is close enough to start thinking 1 score and . . . .yo! kady mae, i'm hoarding already too!  lack of All in Wonder support on the mac isn't so bad, most macs sold since the return of the effetist control freak in the turtleneck haven't had a slot for one anyway! :rolleyes: a decent consumer level 5.1 sound card with a breakout box would be great too! jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
AnubisTTP
Junior Member
USA
308 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 13:50:05
I heard somewhere that the chips and such that store the ROMs for most computers break down over time, because a lot of them were designed to be erasable. I seem to remember 20 years as being the lifespan of most ROM chips.::insert scary music here:: AnubisTTP, Tank Commander, Bolo Division
68k Macintosh Liberation Army
Macs Liberated:21 |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 14:15:13
quote:
I heard somewhere that the chips and such that store the ROMs for most computers break down over time, because a lot of them were designed to be erasable. I seem to remember 20 years as being the lifespan of most ROM chips.::insert scary music here::
then we should all do our utmost to aid in the worldwide effort to create redundant backup images of all apple ROMs, operating systems, service information, software and documentation readily available for download on the net as a matter of civic duty! jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 14:23:20
I agree about hoarding! Once it's in my grasp i never let go. I thought just eproms and eeproms (i think that's what i read somewhere) were erasable?_______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12 |
GORDOOM
Junior Member
Canada
208 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 16:13:41
quote:
have you got a worse [SSSCA counterpart] in the works up there than we do in the states? anything currently in use when it's passed would be grandfathered, they can't make computers illegal after they're bought and paid for, they can only require the new stuff to be compliant. from what i remember of the articles, they were only talking about networked computers, so standalones would be ok anyway, dunno.
- jt
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Possession of older (read: non-Palladium) computers could be made illegal, on the basis that one of their uses is as tools to circumvent DRM. I know of nothing that would prevent that. And certainly, this is exactly what both MS and the xxAA would love to see happen. And no, I don't know of any legislation in the works in Canada comparable to the Hollings proposals. Indeed, Canada still has no counterpart to the DMCA.
The trouble is, if the US pushes hard enough, is there anyone in the world who will be able to stand up to them? (Then again, maybe Canada will actually stand up and say "up yours" to the 'States, and then Apple will move up to Canada to avoid the new laws, and so will all the free software developpers in the 'States, and then the fun starts!) GORDOOM
Commander, Academic Operations Reserve
(University of Toronto, St. George Campus)
total Macs liberated: 22
(as of June 5, 2002) "...the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do." |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 16:45:01
quote:
The trouble is, if the US pushes hard enough, is there anyone in the world who will be able to stand up to them? (Then again, maybe Canada will actually stand up and say "up yours" to the 'States, and then Apple will move up to Canada to avoid the new laws, and so will all the free software developpers in the 'States, and then the fun starts!)
if those profiteering scumbags and robber barons push hard enough for something like that scenario to take place, there'll be a third american revolution at the polls, then with tea parties and bunker hills if that's what it takes before it comes to pass.there's no way in hell the "straight talk express" gets railroaded by special interest groups to that extent, no slimy polititian who votes for that kind of crap will survive the wrath of the voters down here, even if the supreme court is caught napping and it stands for a time. whatever . . . jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 17:39:45
i've always wanted a reason to move to canada.of course i have no idea what you all are talking about. there are some times when being lost is a good thing, i guess.... _______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12 |
GORDOOM
Junior Member
Canada
208 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 19:14:14
quote:
if those profiteering scumbags and robber barons push hard enough for something like that scenario to take place, there'll be a third american revolution at the polls, then with tea parties and bunker hills if that's what it takes before it comes to pass.there's no way in hell the "straight talk express" gets railroaded by special interest groups to that extent, no slimy polititian who votes for that kind of crap will survive the wrath of the voters down here, even if the supreme court is caught napping and it stands for a time.
- jt
Except for one problem: most people (outside of those who read /. and similar on a regular basis) have no clue about what any of this means. They hear the words, "Trusted Computing Platform," and they think it's something to keep the "evil h4x0rs" out, and not something to let MS and the xxAA grab them by the cojones... because they don't understand the technology or the issues behind it, and don't particularly care. If we get caught napping now, then it's going to be next to impossible to rectify later. And don't doubt for a second that this will be allowed to stop simply at the US's borders. If it does, it won't be for lack of trying on the part of the 'States. quote:
i've always wanted a reason to move to canada.
- thelip
No one's stopping you now; it's still a great place to live. At least you don't have to deal as much with the arrogance of the 'States and their insistence on the supremacy of the almighty dollar... though it's slipped farther that way than I care to admit. Still, at least we still have Medicare,, which up here actually amounts to something, and we're fighting to keep it that way. quote:
of course i have no idea what you all are talking about. there are some times when being lost is a good thing, i guess...
- thelip
Wrong answer. This issue is important enough that being unfamiliar with it, if you claim to know anything about computers, just won't do. To start off, I point you to this paper explaining the Palladium architecture and its implications for the future. Hell, even David Coursey isn't buying into this one... GORDOOM
Commander, Academic Operations Reserve
(University of Toronto, St. George Campus)
total Macs liberated: 22
(as of June 5, 2002) "...the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do." |
Kady Mae
Junior Member
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 19:16:51
quote:
I had an old PC at one point (before I got my first Mac, never ran Windows even, only DOS 3.3). An IBM PC XT, built in October 1982. The same month I was born.
~sigh~ I feel so ancient. I remember the ads for those things on TV. Hell, I remember the famous "1984" ad. My first computer was a Commidore 64; I remember taking it out of the box and hooking it to the TV. I remember cassette tape drives. I remember CP/M. I remember DOS 4. Damn you Captain Z (and Spaceboy) -- you're so young! 68K's liberated: 0
68Ks adopted to loving homes: 2
PowerMacs adopted: 1 |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 19:45:22
quote:
Damn you Captain Z (and Spaceboy) -- you're so young!
me too, don't worry, they'll get over it! just remember the good stuff, like college AFTER the sexual revolution but BEFORE herpes! the drinking age was 18 and i'm not even gonna mention the bargaoin basement prices of wee . . . . jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
danamania
Official 68k Muse
Australia
1193 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 19:54:02
quote:
quote:
Damn you Captain Z (and Spaceboy) -- you're so young!
me too, don't worry, they'll get over it! just remember the good stuff, like college AFTER the sexual revolution but BEFORE herpes! the drinking age was 18 and i'm not even gonna mention the bargaoin basement prices of wee . . . .
Hey you just described here :). Not that there's much shagging going on, I first got drunk at age 26, and I'm full-on allergic to we... do... uhhhhh herbal remedies. dana
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 19:56:53
quote:
Hey you just described here :). Not that there's much shagging going on, I first got drunk at age 26, and I'm full-on allergic to we... do... uhhhhh herbal remedies.
you have my condolences on both counts . . . err . . . don't get glaucoma! jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
danamania
Official 68k Muse
Australia
1193 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 21:27:39
quote:
you have my condolences on both counts . . . err . . . don't get glaucoma!
:) - I'll take the glaucoma over the migraines, thanks pat! dana (oh what a productive day. woohoo)
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Kady Mae
Junior Member
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 21:46:25
quote:
quote:
Damn you Captain Z (and Spaceboy) -- you're so young!
me too, don't worry, they'll get over it! just remember the good stuff, like college AFTER the sexual revolution but BEFORE herpes! the drinking age was 18 and i'm not even gonna mention the bargaoin basement prices of wee . . . . jt ™
Uh, I'm not quite that old. I'm a member of the AIDS generation, and I can honestly say I've never inhailed -- never been seriously tempted, actually. (Get rip-roarin' drunk 3-4 times a year, though.) 68K's liberated: 0
68Ks adopted to loving homes: 2
PowerMacs adopted: 1 |
thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2002 : 22:27:23
quote:
Wrong answer. This issue is important enough that being unfamiliar with it, if you claim to know anything about computers, just won't do.To start off, I point you to this paper explaining the Palladium architecture and its implications for the future. Hell, even David Coursey isn't buying into this one...
Thanks for the 411, i'll be looking into those articles asap. I'm typically a day late and a dollar short when it comes to this kind of stuff, i'm always the last to know. _______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12 |
chi-chi
Starting Member
18 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2002 : 15:26:17
Those 68k's will be worth thousands of dollars?
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boredomconquersall
Full Member
Canada
613 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2002 : 13:23:33
hmmmmm... I woder who thought this up...BILL GATES!! my opinion on what this palladium chip thing will do is..
a) if the law is passed that every computer that has a palladium thing (I'm notsure if "palladium" is the name of the chip or the technolagy) will make it so every peice of software and hardware (mac or PC compatible) will need to be cleared by microsoft before it will work with your computer. now what will mostlikely appen isthat microspounge will mke i soo all software and hardware from the mac, by the mac and for the mac will be rejeced, therefore, making NO NEW SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE FOR THE MAC. sales will plummit! stocks will fall! all the fathfull mac users will be force to commit suicide, becase they are forced to use PCs! but then allth PC users will be extremely pissed offbecauseall of their old stuff will no longer work! they will ge pissed off andassasanate everyone who helped it become possile (every employee of microsoft and intel) b) since thecomputersbeing cntrolled by these cips need to go get autorization codes from their makers, VERYONE will need an internet conection! and since they said that microsoft (or whoever controlls these chips) can command them to do things and can search your hard drive for files, therefore hackersjust have to find out the comands! -shiver- oh well... back to being a menace to society and using my 7 ma in my room... heh ;)
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boredomconquersall
Full Member
Canada
613 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2002 : 18:20:39
as you most likely have noticed, there are many mistakes in my previous post. this is because my friend's keyboard requires you to pound on the keys to get them to work. sorry 
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