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cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
 Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 12:12:31
....yesterday, I did a terrible thing. Friends, fellow mods and soldiers alike, I have bought my first PC.  I went back to the thift store that had all those IBM 300GL's I mentioned in another thread, and most of them were gone. The only one with 128MB of RAM was gone, and all that was left were three with 32MB of RAM (two of which would not power on at all!). I kept looking around and found a Quadra 650 with a Nubus video card and a IIsi with a 3-protocol ethernet card, both of which they wanted $20 for (sorry JT, the Performa 630 was gone). All I had to my name was a $20 bill, and I was trying to decide between the two, but then I found one more of the IBM 300GL's, hidding underneath a TV set. It was one of the ones with 64MB of RAM! It was missing a CD-ROM, but booted to DOS just fine. I asked them how much they wanted, expecting them to say $55, same as before. The guy asked for $25! I offered $20 and they took it...woohooo!! SO here's what I got for $20: A really UGLY IBM desktop case inside which I found a Pentium II 200MHz socket 7 chip, two 32MB RAM DIMMs, a 4GB IDE hard drive, a riser card with 2 PCI slots and 3 ISA slots (one of the PCI's filled with a 10/100 ethernet card and one of the ISA's filled with a SoundBlaster 64), two IDE channels on the mobo, and more power connectors than neccessary. I finally have a use for the Adaptec ISA SCSI card I have lying around at home...maybe use it to connect a SCSI CD-ROM, since I have plenty of them. Just need a PCI video card so I can use the 1280x1024 PC monitor I have sitting in the closet to its fullest...
The machine will most likey be for playing/testing and generally messing around. I'll also have to make some kind of a report, comparing the upgrade/utilization process to that of a similarly spec'd Mac (that should be fun!). 666th poster and 666th thread-creator
Mod of the Mac II series Forums
Total 68K Macs liberated: 7
I Have No Legs! Edited by - cinemafia on 29 Jun 2002 12:14:22 |
GORDOOM
Junior Member
Canada
208 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 12:44:18
Hey, cine, there's nothing evil about PC's - they're not Macs, but they're not evil. Windows, on the other hand... now this is unspeakable evil. (Note how I wasn't even able to say it...)  GORDOOM
Commander, Academic Operations Reserve
(University of Toronto, St. George Campus)
total Macs liberated: 22
(as of June 5, 2002) "...the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do." |
GORDOOM
Junior Member
Canada
208 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 12:45:56
quote:
Windows, on the other hand... now this is unspeakable evil. (Note how I wasn't even able to say it...)
- me
OK now, who took off the language filter?  GORDOOM
Commander, Academic Operations Reserve
(University of Toronto, St. George Campus)
total Macs liberated: 22
(as of June 5, 2002) "...the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do." |
cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 13:03:48
I know, and you have to admit, a 200MHz Wintel for $20 isn't half bad a deal. Installing Linux on it would sure make it more appealing, though!666th poster and 666th thread-creator
Mod of the Mac II series Forums
Total 68K Macs liberated: 7
I Have No Legs! |
oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 13:08:35
Time for OpenStep 
Or Rhapsody
Or BeOS Go to my OpenStep page and follow the link on the installation page to the Apple page about what hardware works with OpenStep. Get one of the video cards that's listed. If it's not listed, it won't work. The OpenStep supported hardware is pretty much what's supported by Rhapsody and Darwin. PeeCee upgrades, I've discovered, are a bit harder than Mac upgrades, especially when you need to find a card that'll work with an alternate OS like OpenStep or BeOS. However, it's not too bad, unless you have a Compaq.  DOS is great for running old games (try Secret Agent and System Shock), and Win95 is OK for running more recent stuff. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/
Macs Liberated: SE, IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400
PCs liberated from Windoze: 3 |
cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 13:20:02
Thanks! I'm looking on eBay for a legacy PCI video card now, and it'd be great to have one that works with other OS's...and I think I'm going to go with one of the better ATI Rage PCI's.666th poster and 666th thread-creator
Mod of the Mac II series Forums
Total 68K Macs liberated: 7
I Have No Legs! Edited by - cinemafia on 29 Jun 2002 13:24:09 |
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 14:13:59
quote:
I'm looking on eBay for a legacy PCI video card now, and it'd be great to have one that works with other OS's...and I think I'm going to go with one of the better ATI Rage PCI's.
check out the specs on the Voodoo3 PCI cards and watch for the right one so you can play all the legacy "glide" accelerated sims and games. they output decent desktop resolutions and some of them have S-Video out. i'm not sure ATI will be useful for anythin high end from the era of the 200 Mhz Pentium. dunno, i'd need to check it out, but i think it's a good guess.congrats, cine', and thanks for looking for that 630 for me. jt  ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF |
SiliconValleyPirate
Junior Member
United Kingdom
273 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 14:17:16
Cinemo. Here's a suggestion that might help redeem th fact hat you bought a butt ugly IBM desktop machine. The SCSI system is very useful if you can install BasilskII on it under Linux or Windows. Thence you can attach Mac formatted SCSI drives (at users own risk - it never killed mine though) and use them in BasiliskII, prett neat huh? If you use Windows you need to install the SCSI ASPI drivers, wasn't too much of a problem under XP for me so should be a breeze in 98. Of course if you install Linux you won't need them at all.The image of Rhapsody DR2 x86 looks interesting on the 68kMLA HL server. Go try that with a decent IDE CD-ROM (I doubt it'll support the SCSI card but you can give it a shot). --
Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster
Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises 
Macs Liberated = 14! |
cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 14:30:35
quote:
check out the specs on the Voodoo3 PCI cards and watch for the right one so you can play all the legacy "glide" accelerated sims and games
I've used 3dfx cards before, and I like them, but they don't seem to be supported at all under Rhapsody, OPENSTEP, or any of the other OS's I want to try playing around with. That and I just kinda like ATi better for some reason... quote:
Go try that with a decent IDE CD-ROM (I doubt it'll support the SCSI card but you can give it a shot).
I think I'm going to use the ISA SCSI card I have just for hard drives. I found out that it only supports up to 8GB drives (not partitions, drives!), which sucks, but I have all kinds of 2GB and smaller SCSI drives lying around so it'll be useful. I'm looking at getting an IDE DVD/CD reader (8x/24x or similar), as there's some legacy ones going for next to nothing on eBay. With a decent PCI video card that support DVD playback, it'll come in handy! 666th poster and 666th thread-creator
Mod of the Mac II series Forums
Total 68K Macs liberated: 7
I Have No Legs! |
oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 15:10:44
OpenStep and its descendants love Adaptec SCSI cards You can get Glide wrappers to use games that only support 3dfx, though I've never tried them. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/
Macs Liberated: SE, IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400
PCs liberated from Windoze: 3 |
FireWire is fast
General, 4 star
USA
1559 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 20:46:59
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I've used 3dfx cards before, and I like them, but they don't seem to be supported at all under Rhapsody, OPENSTEP, or any of the other OS's I want to try playing around with. That and I just kinda like ATi better for some reason...
Actually...if you find that "OPENSTEP Uploaded!" (I think that's the title) thread somehwere around here, theres a link to OS hardware drivers...as I recall there was a driver for the Voodoo3... --------------------
keeper of the website , master of the Quadra/Centris Stick of Justice™, and figure-head of the Peoples' PDS Republic
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oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 07:01:53
No, there is no voodoo support in OpenStep, even with beta drivers. See http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=70027 and ftp://ftp.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/MultiCountry/Enterprise/openstep/drivers/ for info on what works.I have read in the newsgroups that S3 (not Virge), ATI Rage, NumberNine, and Matrox Millenium video cards tend to work quite well. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/
Macs Liberated: SE, IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400
PCs liberated from Windoze: 3 |
Kady Mae
Junior Member
USA
261 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 16:27:08
Cine,200mhz Pentiums make mighty fine *nix boxen. In fact to my left I've got good ole Goatboy, my Linux/98/BeOS box. 68K's liberated: 0
68Ks adopted to loving homes: 2
PowerMacs adopted: 1 |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2002 : 03:59:28
quote:
Time for OpenStep
Or Rhapsody
Or BeOS Go to my OpenStep page and follow the link on the installation page to the Apple page about what hardware works with OpenStep. Get one of the video cards that's listed. If it's not listed, it won't work. The OpenStep supported hardware is pretty much what's supported by Rhapsody and Darwin. PeeCee upgrades, I've discovered, are a bit harder than Mac upgrades, especially when you need to find a card that'll work with an alternate OS like OpenStep or BeOS. However, it's not too bad, unless you have a Compaq. DOS is great for running old games (try Secret Agent and System Shock), and Win95 is OK for running more recent stuff. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/
Macs Liberated: SE, IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400
PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
I remember there's someone on the internet who's trying to fuse a copy of Mac OS X with the x86 version of Darwin to make Mac OS X for x86. If they suceed, then you can get a copy of it, and make it as close to a real computer as that pos will ever be without hacking in a G3 mobo... -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5
68k Macintosh Liberation Army
Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
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