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cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 15:45:47 I know I already have one, but this auction is really tempting me. The increadibly low current bid, along with the seller's relatively close proximity to me are almost too much to bear. I guess we'll see what happens in about 3 and a half hours... 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 I Have No Legs!
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 16:00:42 For $0.99 who could say no?? Man I'd buy it straight off, even if I sold it 3 weeks later at a profit it'd still be worth it. -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 16:53:47 quote: For $0.99 who could say no?? Man I'd buy it straight off, even if I sold it 3 weeks later at a profit it'd still be worth it. oh man! it went clear up to $10.50 already, one went yesterday for 27.66 but it didn't even have a CD. grab it, 'mo!\ http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2033566300 jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 17:33:47 Hmm. Seller looks a little suspect, I never trust people with no rep. that steal EveryMac's pages instead of wrting their own. Ahh well. Might be worth it if you get an 840av for a good price. Man the 8x0 Quadra caser look butt ugly withg no CD bezel on it.... -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 11:50:38 Sold for $26...oh well. It's not like I needed two, anyway. Actually, and I know you guys are going to find this amazing, but I ended up spending whatever money I would have on that 840av on a...a...PC!!!!! 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 I Have No Legs!
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 14:10:50 Uggh <pukes>. -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 16:06:59 Why does everyone hate PCs here? _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLineServer(closed): scchicago.dynodns.net Website(closed): http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 16:44:49 quote: Why does everyone hate PCs here? we don't, its just fun to pretend! i think most of us love/loathe ALL computers, just somewhat selectively when it comes to the intensity and the violence of the mood swings. haven't run into many gates of mordorsoft fans anywhere tho. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 18:12:04 quote: quote: Why does everyone hate PCs here? we don't, its just fun to pretend! i think most of us love/loathe ALL computers, just somewhat selectively when it comes to the intensity and the violence of the mood swings. haven't run into many gates of mordorsoft fans anywhere tho. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF oh. _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLineServer(closed): scchicago.dynodns.net Website(closed): http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE
catsdorule Senior Member Canada 1627 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 18:57:36 quote: Why does everyone hate PCs here? _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLineServer(closed): scchicago.dynodns.net Website(closed): http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE Personally, pcs are boaring. But this is just my opinion. }:-) ----- Hotline! address: 142.161.101.29 TCP/IP server : 216.130.83.218 L: 68kmla p:68000 Http Server URL: Http://homepage.mac.com/catsdorule/ (Web access to service manuals) FTP Server: ftp://216.130.83.218/Library/WebServer/documents l/p 68kmla/68000
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 19:39:59 I'll say it. I HATE WINDOWS!!! I can stand to use pcs if it weren't for that __rammer of an OS. It honestly shocked me the simplicity of the mac. Of course now that i'm getting into them more, it's not what it was to begin with, but i'd still rather use my macs any day over a winblows machine and it will stay that way til the day i die. On a side note, I'm still living at home and i have to deal with my father who is a die hard dell customer. He's never touched a mac, has no idea about anything yet still gives me grief day in and day out. I had a hard drive crash a while ago, mostly due to tons of attempts of overclocking my processor (i'm thinking that every KP caused serious corruption, since they happened countless times.) and when it happened he wouldn't drop it. he gets viruses almost everyday, but when i lose a hard drive he damns macs. Oh and it's hysterical when he refers to it as my c drive crashing. LOL.... anyway, we don't get along that also doesn't help much with the whole mac vs pcs and where my rant has originated from. He laughs at my newton as a waste of money, yet i say the same about windows, so it's a never ending story. _______________________ Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist 950 division Liberated Macs: 12
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 05:48:59 quote: we don't, its just fun to pretend! We don't? ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 16:31:45 My personal opinion i shorthand: All Macs are designed. Be it well (like the outside of an 840av, the Color Classic, 9600 or the G4) or badly (like the 4400/7220 or the 7100 or the inside of the 840av) they are, each model, designed individually or to a form factor which is designed. PCs on the other hand are flung together. What little design goes into the average Joe's PC is either: a) Very poor, cheap and tacky plastic parts. b) Hideously expensive c) a rip-off of something Apple already tired and have superceded d) at the expense of upgradability Often a combination of those. -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 16:48:48 I don't hate the PCs themselves. They're better than Macs when it comes to upgradeability and openness. However, this leads to many problems with drivers and hardware conflicts that you never see on a Mac. With some UNIX variants like Linux, BSD, and OpenStep, a PC can become a high-performance UNIX workstation. Regardless, when it comes to performance and stability, you can't beat a proprietary OS running on proprietary hardware. That's why people still run NeXTSTEP on black hardware and Solaris on Sun hardware, even though both operating systems are available for PCs. That's why I run the Mac OS on a Mac. Even the classic Mac OS, which is a 20-year-old cooperative-multitasking operating system designed for the 68k and ported to the PowerPC, is more stable on Macs than more advanced operating systems are on PCs. Everybody here agrees that Windoze is crap, no matter what architecture it's run on. Even if Micro$oft ran Windoze on proprietary M$ hardware, it would still be crap. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/ Macs Liberated: SE, IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 17:02:36 quote: My personal opinion i shorthand: All Macs are designed. Be it well (like the outside of an 840av, the Color Classic, 9600 or the G4) or badly (like the 4400/7220 or the 7100 or the inside of the 840av) they are, each model, designed individually or to a form factor which is designed. PCs on the other hand are flung together. What little design goes into the average Joe's PC is either: a) Very poor, cheap and tacky plastic parts. b) Hideously expensive c) a rip-off of something Apple already tired and have superceded d) at the expense of upgradability Often a combination of those. actually, that sounds a lot more like Macs. a) Very poor, cheap and tacky power supplies. b) Hideously expensive c) a rip-off of something Xerox already tried and Wintel will copy and soon have superceded. d) at the expense of upgradability Cine's upgradability options for the PC he just bought are limited only because he got an IBM with many of the Macs drawbacks as outlined above. however, even this PC can be upgraded to at least twice the clock rate by swapping a CPU from any one of 3 vendors. the power supply is more than adequate (with unused connectors no less!) which has almost never been the case on a mac. if he had bought a "garage level" mfr's absolutely vanilla clone (the slap together kind) his options would be significantly better than they are now. as is, they are better than almost any mac ever produced. nobody with any sense buys a NEW clone from the manufacturers who make the mistakes apple does with incompatibilities with ISA. the mac is something many people prefer in terms of look and feel of the hardware, but they put up with the insanely restrictive upgradability because of the OS. the fact that the "crappy clone boxes" thrown together with ISA parts ate apple's pathetic offerings for lunch is a historical event that only the true believers can ignore. apple really doesn't have the option of doing so. that's why they've slowly been adding slots to the high end desktops and have entered the rackmount server market. MacWorld NY is coming, if they bring out a six slot Mid or Full Tower and announce something to bridge the PDA gap between the iPod and the iBook, they'll be very well positioned across the board. that's something that has NEVER happened before. if they can escape the reputation for the weaknesses you outlined and earn any credibility in terms of percieved value with the general public, it would be a welcome change. supporting the mac is not a viable option for developers if market share erodes very much further, let's hope it turns around. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 30 Jun 2002 17:09:30
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 18:31:13 quote: c) a rip-off of something Xerox already tried and Wintel will copy and soon have superceded. You've just hit a very sore nerve there, mister... Grrrrrrrr ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 18:57:05 Trash80toG-4 opines: quote: the fact that the "crappy clone boxes" thrown together with ISA parts ate apple's pathetic offerings for lunch is a historical event that only the true believers can ignore. apple really doesn't have the option of doing so. that's why they've slowly been adding slots to the high end desktops and have entered the rackmount server market. I assume you're referring to the ubiquitous 'IBM-clones', as PeeCees were once known, but of course the Mac clones almost "ate Apple's [then] pathetic offerings for lunch," too. Power Computing's were the most popular, but the Umax clones were solid machines, and aggressively priced. I bought two, a C-500, that one son uses; and a J-700 that was once mine, and older son has souped up with extra HDs, a G3 daughtercard, more RAM and several fans--it is that kind of box, not particularly beautiful, but built like the old Mac IIs, solid, large, and expandable. Steve Jobs of course cancelled the cloning licenses because they were cannibalizing Apple's own hardware sales. One can't argue with his success since then (relative, anyway--Apple is profitable, but with less than 5% of the market, relatively marginal), but when you think of all the money Mr. Gates has made just from licensing royalties, I'm not convinced that cloning was doomed to failure. OS X of course presents a new opportunity: port it to Intel processors, and license it on better terms than Win XP (not hard to do). I think you'd see migration in significant numbers. But Apple is afraid of losing Office X, which is what would happen. Can't blame 'em for that, but I think it would be worth the risk. AppleWorks could be beefed up to compete. And Apple's other software (iThis, iThat) blows away the competition, if you believe the reviews. FWIW, /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days).
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 20:36:30 i MEANT PowerComputing, StarMax, Radius, et. al. the wintel clones were like a freakin' colony of army ants marching thru apple's pantry and root cellar! i agree 100% that apple would do better as an O.S licensing company. they should have spent their engineering capital on co-ordinating and supporting the clonemaker's innovation, while doing R&D for new technology to license to the cloners. instead, they tried to throttle it to protect their own market share, making excuses for approval delays about needing to insure compatibility. apple was the worst offender when it came to incompatiblilty with its own O.S. and firmware! even MacWorld magazine's brown nosing editorial staff noted that almos all the clones outperformed their apple-manufactured counterparts. when no apple manufactured system came out on top in testing, even they had to realize what was going on. jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 20:39:25 quote: quote: c) a rip-off of something Xerox already tried and Wintel will copy and soon have superceded. You've just hit a very sore nerve there, mister... Grrrrrrrr how so? 's truth! check out the xerox parc info in the links project! or ask SVP! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 21:17:38 If you are referring to GUI, then you are wrong. If not, then you are probably right. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 21:22:27 quote: If you are referring to GUI, then you are wrong. If not, then you are probably right. could you explain that? jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 21:47:28 If you meant that Apple ripped off Xerox with regards to GUI OSs, then I challenge you to a duel! But if, on the other hand, you were talking about something else, then I crave forgiveness. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 21:51:28 quote: If you meant that Apple ripped off Xerox with regards to GUI OSs, then I challenge you to a duel! bite me! =8-Pu jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
cyberwolf New Member 91 Posts	Posted - 30 Jun 2002 : 23:28:24 OOOOOoooooOOOOOoooOOOOO [chanting] Nerd fight! Nerd fight! Nerd fight! [/chanting] :D :-D :D Edit:Ok, I give up. Just what the hell IS the emoicon for big grin? There. Edited by - cyberwolf on 30 Jun 2002 23:30:46
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 07:18:57 <sobs> That's the last time I air my opinion of PCs in pulblic :*( jt, I'm ashamed of you. You make yourself out to be an Apple enthusiat and then you totally diss everything we stand for. I've 'done PCs' enough to know how utterly painful they can be, especialy using Mr. Gates's Curiously Weak Operating System. What I was trying to say is you can get nice looking PCs, designed by people like Sony and IBM, but they are not very upgradable and look very tacky next to an iMac or a G4 tower. Also note, the inside of a G4 tower is laid out to be, for the most part, a standard ATX case, the only non-ATX features are the plastic back plate cover, the and the size and arrangement of the internal PSU/Fan box, oh and maye the logic board, CPU and front panel of course Oh and yes, Apple did get the mouse powered GUI idea off of Xerox. Xerox in fact actually let Steve Jobs and his small posse of designers working on the Macintosh look at it and play with it and ask questions (I read a proper book - I'm not basing this on Pirates of Silicon Vally btw). Apparently Xerox's top brass didn't think it'd sell??!!! Add to that that Apple acquired it semi-legitamately and that the Xerox PARC interface thinggy was decidedly rudimentary, even compared to rthe Lisa OS, then you see that Apple never really actually ripped it off at all. I'm just going to stick pins in the empty ATX case in my room and dream of once again having DSL -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
Jobf Junior Member United Kingdom 162 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 08:35:29 quote: If you are referring to GUI, then you are wrong. If not, then you are probably right. V. Good sites: Microsoft, Apple & Xerox http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html A brief history of the GUI http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~amulet/papers/uihistory.tr.html GUI Wars http://law.richmond.edu/jolt//v1i1/myers.html Advances in computer interfaces http://www.usfca.edu/usf/turner/interface-history.html Cheers Steve/Jobf ===== Lisa 2, LC475, PB145b, PB160, PB540c, IIsi.
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 09:05:40 Whee! 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 I Have No Legs!
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 10:24:00 quote: jt, I'm ashamed of you. You make yourself out to be an Apple enthusiat and then you totally diss everything we stand for. I've 'done PCs' enough to know how utterly painful they can be, especialy using Mr. Gates's Curiously Weak Operating System. Nobody was defending Windoze. Trash80toG-4 was criticizing Apple's generally (but not always) stylish but pricey and inflexible offerings. Why did the clones eat into Apple's market share? More bang for the buck, and the Macintosh OS to boot (as it were)! That's why I bought two UMAXs back in the '90s: they were not beautiful, but they were cheaper, and more expandable (and just as well or better built than the Macs of the time). Despite the current 'switch' campaign (and why, oh why, are there no product pics flashed during those dull testimonials?), Apple's sales are entirely to the faithful, and are going to remain so unless business abandons Micro$oft in droves or Apple creates hordes of new Macintosh users. The way to do that was, and remains: license the OS. /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days).
shaktiman Senior Member United Kingdom 1226 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 11:36:30 PC's arnt perfect 68k Macs arnt perfect PC's pretend to be perfect 68k Macs try/endevour to be perfect pc's are bland 68k Macs are fun shaktiman Quadra 840 av 128meg ram 1.2 gig drive 500 meg drive os 8.1
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 12:04:21 The difference between Apple and M$ can be summed up quite easily. Apple takes other companies' ideas, improves upon them, and makes them more economically feasible. M$ takes other companies' ideas, makes a crappier version to put in Windoze, and tries to sell it as their own. Example: Xerox PARC. Yes, they did invent the first GUI with a mouse with the Alto. However, it cost an enormous amount of money, took up an enormous amount of space, and consumed an enormous amount of power. According to one article I've read, the mouse alone cost $500 and tended to break a lot. Whenever it would fall off the table, the cable would short out. It used a metal ball bearing as the mouseball. Steve Jobs gave the Apple engineers the task of making a mouse for $10, and they did it, incorporating the mouse into the Lisa system. They were the first to use optical sensing with plastic rollers and a rubber mouseball to determine how the mouse had moved. Apple also improved upon the GUI. If I recall correctly, the Alto did not incorporate the desktop metaphor or a hierarchical filesystem. M$, on the other hand, steals ideas and screws them up. They took DOS from CP/M and Windoze from the Mac OS. However, IMHO, both of these "improvements" are much worse than that from which they came. However, Windoze was originally so crappy that when Apple sued, they lost, because the Windoze GUI was nowhere near the quality or useability of the Mac OS. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert OpenStep Page at http://openstep.topcities.com/ Macs Liberated: SE, IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400 PCs liberated from Windoze: 3
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 12:11:20 quote: The difference between Apple and M$ can be summed up quite easily. Apple takes other companies' ideas, improves upon them, and makes them more economically feasible. M$ takes other companies' ideas, makes a crappier version to put in Windoze, and tries to sell it as their own. yup, but apple still flew the skull and crossbones, 'nuff said. what's worse is when mordorsoft buys something good and then screws it up after swallowing the competition, than goodness the feds wouldn't let them do that to quicken! all computers suck! all OS's SUCK! all applications REALLY SUCK!!!!! to varying degrees at different times for all sorts of reasons. bleh! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
shaktiman Senior Member United Kingdom 1226 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 12:45:06 I was going to say somthing but have decided not to bother huh all us english are dead appathetic sods.(awaiting sharp knives in my direction) shaktiman Quadra 840 av 128meg ram 1.2 gig drive 500 meg drive os 8.1
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 02 Jul 2002 : 14:56:01 quote: However, Windoze was originally so crappy that when Apple sued, they lost, because the Windoze GUI was nowhere near the quality or useability of the Mac OS. Was this the reason Apple lost? My impression, albeit ill-informed, was that Apple had already given so much away to 'Mordorsoft' (I like that!) to get applications for the new Mac OS that they couldn't make a credible case of theft. /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days).
AnubisTTP Junior Member USA 308 Posts	Posted - 03 Jul 2002 : 05:38:35 I would recommend everyone here reading the book "Apple" by Jim Carlton. It covers a lot of stuff that happened at Apple in the past, like the court case aganst Mordorsort. (It also covers all kinds of secert Apple projects and software like the Palidin, which is always cool). AnubisTTP, Tank Commander, Bolo Division 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Macs Liberated:21
MrLynn Junior Member USA 394 Posts	Posted - 03 Jul 2002 : 08:18:11 'Mordorsoft', 'Mordorsort'-- Maybe it should be 'Modorsnot'! /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days).
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 03 Jul 2002 : 09:06:53 quote: 'Mordorsoft', 'Mordorsort'-- Maybe it should be 'Mordorsnot'! 'Mordorsnot' noun (wh-a-tev-er) 1) effluent of the evil that lurks in mordorsoft syn. code, applicatons. see: dysfunctional, obese, pest-ridden 2) fecal matter, discharge see: sewage, "operating" systems jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 03 Jul 2002 09:10:31
boredomconquersall Full Member Canada 613 Posts	Posted - 08 Jul 2002 : 00:22:00 I was thinking more microspounge.. it sucks up all the clean, fresh little molicules of water (smaller companies) and then, when squeezed, pumps out the same molicules, mixed in with all the crud that's been stuck in it since it came into contact with a flat sirface! altho mordorsponge has a nice ring to it! Thnx "i've been up for 24 hours straight, and i've never felt so ali... -snoooooooore-"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 Jul 2002 : 05:07:51 quote: a) Very poor, cheap and tacky power supplies. Umm, i guess i never told you that i've blown up about 4 or 5 PCs (ranging from simple fan failures resulting in burning smells to one incident where i had smoke come from the back of the computer!), and i've only had one Mac (my beloved 8100...) have a PSU blowout. 'Nuff said. -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6

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