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Captain Z Mobile Ops Commander USA 637 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 11:36:41 Today, while I was at work, I was offered to come along on a presentation on the Xserve by Apple. I found out some interesting new things. First off, The Xserve has only RAID 0 and 1 capabilities. It is unable to do RAID 5, 10, etc. The design is very nicely done, but we all knew that... A few questions arose about RAID capabities in the future. The presenter showed us the design for the next evolution of Xserve's... The Xserve RAID. He did kinda mention he is showing more than they should (in other words, a violation of the NDA). Here are some of the specs: 3U rackmount case 1.68TB of data space max 14 ATA/100 drive bays (14 independant ATA/100 drive channels, running at 200MB/sec) 2GB DDR memory RAID 0, 1, 2, 5, etc. Apple is working in conjuntion with other companies to make sure that the Xserve becomes a major player in the network server market. Each new Xserve RAID units are self sufficiant, and is designed to be self healing (if a problem arises, it will auto-fix itself so you don't have to fix it). From what I hear, it was announced very breifly at Apple Expo (apparently no one noticed?). The entire unit will be available in the Fall. No price given yet... In other related news, I scored a free Apple pen and an Xserve poster. Anyway... back to work for me... ------------------ Captain Z - Mobile Operations Commander 68K Macintosh Liberation Army 18 68K Macs Liberated Visit Captain Z's Starbase of EV Stuff
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 11:47:56 I wish there were apple presentations like that at papa john's, where i work. _______________________ Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist 950 division Liberated Macs: 12
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 11:52:52 Lickable servers! LICKABLE SERVERS! <collapses> 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 I Have No Legs! Edited by - cinemafia on 25 Jun 2002 11:53:33
Captain Z Mobile Ops Commander USA 637 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 13:50:03 here is a mockup that I made, to look like what I saw today. Somebody copy this picture and repost it on another server if it gets taken down. http://homepage.mac.com/captainz/xserve_raid.jpg ------------------ Captain Z - Mobile Operations Commander 68K Macintosh Liberation Army 18 68K Macs Liberated Visit Captain Z's Starbase of EV Stuff
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 14:26:38 quote: here is a mockup that I made, to look like what I saw today. Somebody copy this picture and repost it on another server if it gets taken down. http://homepage.mac.com/captainz/xserve_raid.jpg post it on spymac and it won't be on mac.com for them to take down! it'll be interesting to see their reactions over there when it's really announced! jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 14:33:38 Maccentral had pictures of this all over the place when it was announced. Steve Jobs talked a little about it with the xserve. If I remember correctly, the next one will use fiber instead of ata. _______________________ Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist 950 division Liberated Macs: 12
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 14:47:15 quote: If I remember correctly, the next one will use fiber instead of ata. HOORAY FOR SCSI!!! 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 I Have No Legs!
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 17:58:01 ooh, fiber! speedy! _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLineServer(closed): scchicago.dynodns.net Website(closed): http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE
FireWire is fast General, 4 star USA 1559 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 18:34:13 quote: HOORAY FOR SCSI!!! Uh-oh...here comes the voodoo... -------------------- keeper of the website , master of the Quadra/Centris Stick of Justice™, and figure-head of the Peoples' PDS Republic --------------------
TiMacLover Senior Member USA 1282 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 18:38:29 Captain Z look for macrumors.com to post that Jeremy "I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd Covert Ops 68k Hacks General Macs Liberated:18 ENTER THROUGH THE GATES
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 19:08:45 I thought everyone knew about that... I never saw the picture, but they did announce the RAID 3U option that was coming, in the original Xserve presentation. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
Captain Z Mobile Ops Commander USA 637 Posts	Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 20:28:22 Ah, fiber channel... I remember the guy talking about that. It 's supposed to have Fibre Channel ATA or something... I forget now... He also implied that a 2U and 5U models are "natural evolutions" for the Xserve line. Everyone at the presentation though that this whole Xserve thing is a smart move for Apple. A number of large buisnesses (they couldn't name names) have already ordered full racks with 42 Xserves (I think it's $255K per set like that). Big universities are also looking at adding this (I think Brown University was cited, ordering 8 full sets) ------------------ Captain Z - Mobile Operations Commander 68K Macintosh Liberation Army 18 68K Macs Liberated Visit Captain Z's Starbase of EV Stuff
cinemafia Guerrilla Recon Leader USA 2965 Posts	Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 08:49:27 quote: It 's supposed to have Fibre Channel ATA Hey, wait...now that's no fun... 666th poster and 666th thread-creator Mod of the Mac II series Forums Total 68K Macs liberated: 7 I Have No Legs!
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 11:31:11 I watched mearly the entire presentation on Apple's site last night, except Phil Schiller's bit - he was doing his usual 'we make the hardware AND the software' stuck record impression. From what I understand, Apple see ATA as a cheaper and equally fast alternative to SCSI, which everyine else uses on their server systems. The Fibre Channel transfer system is a link (I think) betwee nthe Xserve and the 4U RAID unit and is done via Dual Fibre Channel ATA connections from the RAID controllers. The entire RAID 4U is a solution to the NAS (Network Attached Storage) problem, in that the Xserve itself is not intended for NAS, and is entirely geared towards reliability and redundancy with the option of 7 redundant strioed and 7 active striped drives in a RAID 10 array. I think Apple's approach is well thought out, and the Xserve is a good product for enterprise. With the addition of the RAID unit at the end of the year it will make a more complete server solution of rmany areas such ass webserving and file sharing/storage. The 'all one product' approach is a good one too. The only thing they need to work on now is improving and enhancing OS X Server to make it really follow Apple's easy-to-use philosophy rather than just getting there in parts. I'd like to see full GUI front-ends for all tha available services in the admin tools, setting up DNS, and DHCP services is no easier than in other UNIX packages and there is still no apparent network routing support in the GUI despite the option of Dual GB Ethernet controllers on the Xserve. -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 11 Nov 2002 : 01:39:58 quite interesting... Apple is now officially replaying it's history in fast forward mode iMac=original mac PowerMac G4=Dual processor 9x00 machines Xserve="The server group" (Apple NetWork Server) At Applefritter (deep dish) they describe the "would be" ANS300 as having been a 4 or 5u sized thing (about the size of a 7300 but wider and deeper?) and then it'd have another big rack thing available for it, like 5-8U... would it not be interesting to know what an ANS300 would have looked like i production? with a plastic case and all lke the ANS500-700... yumm... iLike Official 68k videographer
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 11 Nov 2002 : 02:53:40 quote: quite interesting... Apple is now officially replaying it's history in fast forward mode Y'know, i was sorta thinking the same thing. Are we on the same wavelength or something? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 11 Nov 2002 : 12:31:39 well what with all this lame revenge to lame revenge we've got going on ML5 LOL or maybe it's just because it's true... (both statements) Official 68k videographer
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 13 Nov 2002 : 22:57:48 sadly, I didn't get to go to the presentation, but I am sending off a letter via snailmail for Apple In this letter, I am politely requesting the use of an Xserve so as I can compare it to my PC server running .NET Official 68k videographer
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 13 Nov 2002 : 23:25:04 quote: sadly, I didn't get to go to the presentation, but I am sending off a letter via snailmail for Apple In this letter, I am politely requesting the use of an Xserve so as I can compare it to my PC server running .NET Official 68k videographer -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Clinton Full Member USA 700 Posts	Posted - 14 Nov 2002 : 19:16:48 hmmm, iMac == compact mac? I thought it resembled the 5x00 series of Power Macs more than anything, but that is just me. oh well CCC Lieutennant Commander (Pronounced Leftennant) 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Quadra 650, and a Quadra 660AV Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, and a PM 8600/300 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 14 Nov 2002 : 21:28:44 hehehehe... the original mac is a compact mac really, the iMac looks most like... itself! I would have really liked logo items though... OH! I have news! but that's another topic entirely. Official 68k videographer
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 20:18:25 quote: hmmm, iMac == compact mac? I thought it resembled the 5x00 series of Power Macs more than anything, but that is just me. oh well iMac = compact Mac eMac = Pizzabox LC PowerBook = PowerBook 170/180 series iBook = PowerBook 100/14x/16x series PowerMac = Mac II/Quadra Xserve = Quadra 950/Mac IIfx -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.™ - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 20:28:17 quote: I thought it resembled the 5x00 series of Power Macs more than anything, but that is just me. oh well The iMac would have had to have had a 17-19" CRT to be a 5x00 parallel. 15" was almost as microscopic in the fruit-loop era as a 9" CRT was back in the day. :rolleyes: jt ™. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF

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