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Wonkothesane
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USA
506 Posts		 Posted - 28 Nov 2001 :  21:43:59
Does anyone here run A/UX (Apple's Unix OS, before os X)? If you are, where did you get it?
Tallgeese
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USA
523 Posts		 Posted - 28 Nov 2001 :  22:36:31

Wow... Back in the day I tried to get my hands on A/UX, and it was hard to find several years ago. From what I've read, it's exceedingly rare now. Good luck, if you're trying to run it.

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USA
48 Posts		 Posted - 01 Dec 2001 :  06:05:38
Does anybody know where I could find some information on A/UX? Did it have a GUI or was it only a CLI?

thanks

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2822 Posts		 Posted - 01 Dec 2001 :  08:08:11
It had a mac-like GUI. You can read a bit about it in the UI section at www.applefritter.com

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48 Posts		 Posted - 01 Dec 2001 :  17:26:12
That looks really awesome. Why didn't Apple base there next generation OS on that instead of buying NeXT? I'm not saying that NeXT is bad or OS X is bad I'm just curious.

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Tallgeese
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USA
523 Posts		 Posted - 01 Dec 2001 :  18:45:33

Steve Jobs and the RDF

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48 Posts		 Posted - 01 Dec 2001 :  20:55:35
Yes , but Steve Jobs wouldn't be a part of this because If Apple hadn't bought NeXT Jobs would not have been involved with Apple.

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USA
1282 Posts		 Posted - 04 Dec 2001 :  22:40:33
Rhapsody lives in all how our hearts.

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Tallgeese
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USA
523 Posts		 Posted - 05 Dec 2001 :  22:41:18
quote:

Yes , but Steve Jobs wouldn't be a part of this because If Apple hadn't bought NeXT Jobs would not have been involved with Apple.


However, his RDF set up the buying of NeXT...

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Alien
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Netherlands
269 Posts		 Posted - 23 Dec 2001 :  11:44:59
http://ftp.mayn.de/pub/apple/apple_unix/homepage.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/syslist.html

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Wonkothesane
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USA
506 Posts		 Posted - 25 Dec 2001 :  20:26:38
Thanks Alien! So, I could just download it and burn it onto a CD?

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Alien
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Netherlands
269 Posts		 Posted - 26 Dec 2001 :  08:59:03
Well, I could… So unless you are stupid, I guess you could, too!

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USA
1559 Posts		 Posted - 26 Dec 2001 :  19:44:37
ummm...its taking like 15 years to login to the ftp. Has anybody actually downloaded it from that site?


Hmmm, booted into Mac OS X and tried it in OmniWeb. Works like a charm. However, I read that bit about A/UX at applefritter and I think i'd be in a bit over my head if i attempted to muck around with it on my 650. I'll stick with Mac OS 8.1 for now


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candyPunk
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USA
856 Posts		 Posted - 27 Dec 2001 :  12:21:49
Yeah, i downloaded the image, and it un-gzipped to about 400 megs, but when i mounted it, the disk it produced was only about 20 megs. Huh??

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USA
911 Posts		 Posted - 30 Dec 2001 :  22:04:08
Well, I've downlaoded it, and burned the compressed inmages to a CD, so when I'm back at my house, I can load it on a system.

I gotta figure out WHAT system to put it on tho. Won't run on my Quadra 630, so I may have to go get a Quadra 850 or something.. darn!

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1559 Posts		 Posted - 30 Dec 2001 :  22:15:19
quote:

I may have to go get a Quadra 850 or something.. darn!


*ahem* you mean Quadra 950.

-the speilling/gramatikal departmint.

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Alien
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Netherlands
269 Posts		 Posted - 31 Dec 2001 :  12:24:05
quote:
Yeah, i downloaded the image, and it un-gzipped to about 400 megs, but when i mounted it, the disk it produced was only about 20 megs. Huh??

That's because your Mac will only see the HFS partition. Most of the disk is taken up by the A/UX partition which your Mac can't read. Don't mount the image (if you must, make sure you don't change anything), just burn it onto a CD with Toast.

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blue7500
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USA
13 Posts		 Posted - 04 Jan 2002 :  11:47:18
quote:

ummm...its taking like 15 years to login to the ftp. Has anybody actually downloaded it from that site?

I have. The link that Gamba has for A/UX doesn't work. I spent a pretty friggin long time d/ling it on a 28k modem and I was P'ed O when I found it didn't work. But then again, I didn't have the version of Toast that lets you burn images...

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Alien
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269 Posts		 Posted - 05 Jan 2002 :  02:43:10
quote:
The link that Gamba has for A/UX doesn't work.

Yes, it does.

quote:
I spent a pretty friggin long time d/ling it on a 28k modem and I was P'ed O when I found it didn't work. But then again, I didn't have the version of Toast that lets you burn images...

Well, that's your problem right there…

As for anyone not willing to download the images or unable to burn them, send me an email, we might be able to work summink out…

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candyPunk
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USA
856 Posts		 Posted - 06 Jan 2002 :  20:21:32
everymac.com states that the WGS 95 (Q900 in WGS form) is only full featured when running A/UX. What is meant by this? What was special about it?

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1559 Posts		 Posted - 06 Jan 2002 :  21:55:57
i *think* it had some kind of special nubus card for A/UX. not sure though...

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Alien
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269 Posts		 Posted - 10 Jan 2002 :  02:33:10
PDS card, actually.

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1559 Posts		 Posted - 10 Jan 2002 :  11:14:08
Ok, so it was PDS. What did it do? Accelerator?

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2899 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jan 2002 :  09:43:50
quote:

It's a WGS 95 PDS card... so the apple pdf for them says :). It contains extra cache for the 040 (256k I think) and highspeed SCSI.

please elaborate, sounds like hooks for cached DMA SCSI2 under 'nix,
any linux code pushers/68k/hardware hackers out there! it's playtime! Danamaniac may be on to something here!*

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USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 20 Jan 2002 :  12:53:11
quote:

It's a WGS 95 PDS card... so the apple pdf for them says :). It contains extra cache for the 040 (256k I think) and highspeed SCSI.

next up is the workshop manual for the 900's... It contains vague references to the WGS 95 pds card

thanks dana,

you really are a maniac, which is intended strictly as a Compliment (capitalization intentional).

i ain't never gonna get no work done if i keep a command-tabbin' ta 'scape!

I'd better follow the links later. But it's probably a safe bet that I will...............

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laxx
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17 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jan 2002 :  00:46:15
you can download a/ux from a variety of sources:


ftp:

ftp://ftp.geo.tu-freiberg.de/pub/incoming/

Hotline:

download from my hotline server, retromac68k.dyndns.org, l/p retro/retro (down today for maint).

I would suggest dl from the ftp site as it is faster. You may want to dl some of the text and refs from my site though.

in terms of reviews:
http://applefritter.com/ui/aux/

cheers!

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Alien
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Netherlands
269 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jan 2002 :  14:06:52
Whatever happened to reading a thread before posting to it?

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candyPunk
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USA
856 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jan 2002 :  20:54:22
quote:

Whatever happened to reading a thread before posting to it?

Heh, yeah, no kidding.

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2899 Posts		 Posted - 21 Jan 2002 :  21:06:30
quote:

quote:

Whatever happened to reading a thread before posting to it?

Heh, yeah, no kidding.


Please don't pick on new recruits anxious to be helpful, the lurkers won't feel comfortable about joining in and who could blame them. I've still not been able to take in all the info available here and have made more than my share of booboos.

jt

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1559 Posts		 Posted - 23 Jan 2002 :  21:36:22
hmm, I have a feeling these "lurkers" are just people who registered then forgot about these forums - not shy, timid people who are intimidated by the big scary mods

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Wonkothesane
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506 Posts		 Posted - 23 Jan 2002 :  22:05:01
*Ahem*......Back to the topic. I downloaded A/UX yesterday. I am waiting until I get that 230 meg HD that I bought from Cinemafia to install AUX on it. Also, I was reading the sixth edition of The Mac Bible (released at about the same time as sys 7.5.3) and they had some interesting references to OS 8 (code named Copland) as "the revolutionary system" that would have protected memory and would not use extensions, and would only run on PowerPC macs. That sounds suspiciously like a Unix OS, perhaps like A/UX.....does anyone know why they didn't do this?

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USA
2965 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jan 2002 :  09:47:34
quote:
...they had some interesting references to OS 8 (code named Copland) as "the revolutionary system" that would have protected memory and would not use extensions, and would only run on PowerPC macs. That sounds suspiciously like a Unix OS, perhaps like A/UX.....does anyone know why they didn't do this?

Oh they did, only it's called OSX. It just took them alot longer than planned because of the whole fiasco that erupted in the late 90's.

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candyPunk
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856 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jan 2002 :  12:46:34
quote:

That sounds suspiciously like a Unix OS, perhaps like A/UX.....does anyone know why they didn't do this?

Applefritter's A/UX article addresses part of this too.

quote:

But sadly, A/UX clearly was doomed to extinction. It wasn't climactic change or an asteroid that took it down, but something that for it was just as devastating. By the time A/UX got as good as what you've seen here, Apple was preparing to jump ship on the Motorola 68k platform. Porting A/UX to the PPC platform on top of all the trouble they were having with the bread-and-butter Mac OS would undoubtedly have been too large a drain of resources. Further, the "we'll run the parts we haven't done yet under emulation" strategy they used with Mac OS just wouldn't of flown under A/UX; a complete rewrite would of been called for.

Man, I remember back when my brother was trying to explain to the family what this Copland was going to do for us. It sounded pretty crappy to me, as it couldn't use any of the extensions that we had. I didn't see any reason why they should not let us use our cool stuff with this supposedly great new product. That was back when I'd try to prove how much cooler my mac was than some other guy's by telling him how many rows of extensions were loaded at startup. *Shudders* I think we broke 3 rows once. That quadra never worked right...I wonder if there was some connection? Man, now I jump for joy if I find out that my iMac doesn't actually need 3 or 4 of the extensions that are installed...the damn thing takes 4 minutes to start up.

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Alien
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Netherlands
269 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jan 2002 :  14:22:10
quote:
quote:
...they had some interesting references to OS 8 (code named Copland) as "the revolutionary system" that would have protected memory and would not use extensions, and would only run on PowerPC macs. That sounds suspiciously like a Unix OS, perhaps like A/UX.....does anyone know why they didn't do this?

Oh they did, only it's called OSX. It just took them alot longer than planned because of the whole fiasco that erupted in the late 90's.

Not really. Copland was abandoned (after being pushed back several times), and replaced with Rhapsody, which in turn begat Mac OS X.

When it became obvious Apple was not up to the task of rewriting the Mac OS from scratch (Copland), they set out to buy an OS. They ended up buying NeXT.

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2965 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jan 2002 :  14:26:26
Okay, you're right. But if you look at the big scheme of things, OSX is pretty much what Copland would have been, had it ever come to light. Though, Aqua probably wouldn't have been there.

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506 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jan 2002 :  15:24:56
I think that if Copland was made when they said it would be, the Mac OS would look something like OS 9 with a terminal application. There would have been no Aqua, or dock for that matter.

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269 Posts		 Posted - 26 Jan 2002 :  11:37:40
Or UNIX underpinnings…

Which kinda makes it a different beast altogether.

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Wonkothesane
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506 Posts		 Posted - 26 Jan 2002 :  21:26:51
quote:

Or UNIX underpinnings…

Why wouldn't it have been based on UNIX? Wasn't that the point?

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2822 Posts		 Posted - 27 Jan 2002 :  11:01:13
One of the problems with the whole fiasco was that originally they aimed to release one perfect program, instead they were taking so long chainging the requirements and such that they had to delay and fix, delay and fix.

With OS X and the like, Apple realised people would rather have the program now, ready or not, than be treated to vaporware.

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269 Posts		 Posted - 27 Jan 2002 :  14:15:11
quote:

quote:

Or UNIX underpinnings…

Why wouldn't it have been based on UNIX? Wasn't that the point?

Copland was to be the ultimate OS, written from scratch, by Apple. It was not to be based on anything ever done before.

That turned out to be more than Apple could muster.

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Wonkothesane
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506 Posts		 Posted - 17 Feb 2002 :  11:31:22
Update: After weeks of waiting, I was finally able to get access to an internet connection fast enough to download A/UX. I burnesd it to a CD, and also bought a Hard Drive to install it on my 660 A/V. When I tried to boot off it (holding down the C key), though, nothing happened, and my Quadra couldn't read it. Any suggestions?

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