68k Macintosh Liberation Army Forums
68k Macintosh Liberation Army Forums
Home | Members | Search | FAQ
 All Forums
 68k Hacks
 CD-ROM in SE/30 question
Author Topic  
Becky Slater
Starting Member


USA
9 Posts		 Posted - 23 Jun 2002 :  19:19:20
Hello all...

From looking over the CD/ROM in an SE/30 instructions at AppleFritter, I'm pretty stoked about the project, but I'm concerned about the part that says a network card might not fit in the PDS.

Has anybody here attempted this hack? Can you get the card to fit? I have an Apple 4x cd-rom pulled from a 6100 and would love to put in my SE/30, but Ethernet is essential in keeping that SE/30 in my network.

Any insight would be appreciated!

FireWire is fast
General, 4 star


USA
1559 Posts		 Posted - 23 Jun 2002 :  20:22:25
quote:

I have an Apple 4x cd-rom pulled from a 6100 and would love to put in my SE/30

The OEM CD-ROM from the 6100 is a 2x, unless you upgraded, of course.

General Nitpick has left his mark

--------------------
keeper of the website , master of the Quadra/Centris Stick of Justice™, and figure-head of the Peoples' PDS Republic
--------------------Go to Top of Page
Becky Slater
Starting Member


USA
9 Posts		 Posted - 23 Jun 2002 :  20:25:12
You're probably right...the 6100 doesn't put out any video, and I've only cracked the case once, and I thought it said 4x on top of the CD-ROM, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, does anybody have any insight into this? I have an Asante PDS card if that makes any difference.

Go to Top of Page
FireWire is fast
General, 4 star


USA
1559 Posts		 Posted - 23 Jun 2002 :  21:26:09
No video, eh? Try replacing, then zapping the PRAM. I can almost guaruntee [sp?] that is the problem.

You could even try a quick on/off - that should pump some juice to the video circuitry...


Well...they probably mean that since you have that big honking CD ROM drive, there might not be physical space for a PDS card...


custom case time!!!

--------------------
keeper of the website , master of the Quadra/Centris Stick of Justice™, and figure-head of the Peoples' PDS Republic
--------------------Go to Top of Page
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER


USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 23 Jun 2002 :  21:34:40
quote:

Hello all...

From looking over the CD/ROM in an SE/30 instructions at AppleFritter, I'm pretty stoked about the project, but I'm concerned about the part that says a network card might not fit in the PDS.


which info have you seen? there have been several that i recall, post links to the info you've seen and i'll see if i can point you to some more.

jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAFGo to Top of Page
Becky Slater
Starting Member


USA
9 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jun 2002 :  10:46:45
The link where I read this was:

http://www.applefritter.com/hacks/se30cd/index.html

Yes, what they are referring to is the physical size of the CD-ROM will block the PDS slot.

Specifically, the article says:

The CD-ROM drive covers the only expansion slot. We may never be able to add a network card.

It's the "may" part that gives me hope!


Go to Top of Page
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER


USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jun 2002 :  12:12:26
quote:

The link where I read this was:

http://www.applefritter.com/hacks/se30cd/index.html

Yes, what they are referring to is the physical size of the CD-ROM will block the PDS slot.
The CD-ROM drive covers the only expansion slot. We may never be able to add a network card.


OK, i've seen that one, you might have some hope after all.

is your NIC an asante mac-con i with a female eurocard PDS passthru at right angles to the male connector that would normally be plugged into the pds? i have a pair of these from an eBay auction and it looks to me as if you might have a method to modify one to work.

either connector could be desoldered and replaced by a straight wire-wrap male connector if the traces are straight thru as i suspect. if it is soldered to the NIC at an appropriate height, the card ought to clear the mobo components. replacing the female connector gains less height for the CD as the NIC component side would be pointing up and would be much more difficult to do.

nipping off all the pins at the right angle bend on the male connector would be much less stressful to the NIC when each pin is desoldered separately and the flat solder side of the NIC would be pointing up toward the bottom of the CD-ROM drive.

if you have a logic probe, test the NIC to see if it's a straight pass-thru if you think the female connector could give you enough clearance. otherwise, position the board as if you had replaced the R.A. male connector with a straight wire-wrap connector and if it buys you enough room, start looking for a parts source for a wire-wrap eurocard connector with long enough pins to clear the mobo components!

sound doable to you?

jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF

p.s. there might be a way to modify the female connector pads without removing it if you want to try it that way too.

Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 24 Jun 2002 12:15:59Go to Top of Page
Becky Slater
Starting Member


USA
9 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jun 2002 :  16:29:36
Thanks for the response...

Sounds like it's a little above my skill level...

Maybe I could find a thinner CD-ROM out there somewhere?

Go to Top of Page
~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit


Australia
2822 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jun 2002 :  18:17:13
I don't think they ever made any low-profile SCSI CDROM drives...

~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
Go to Top of Page
thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jun 2002 :  19:50:04
it would be a cool hack, but it's not too practical. You could find an empty external scsi box for a reasonable price and it would work just fine.

_______________________
Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12Go to Top of Page
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER


USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 24 Jun 2002 :  20:15:22
quote:

Thanks for the response...

Sounds like it's a little above my skill level...

Maybe I could find a thinner CD-ROM out there somewhere?

actually, you'd probably only need to install it about 3/4 or maybe an inch farther to the left. nothing says it needs to be aligned flush right with the Floppy slot! center the freakin' thing and you might have enough room left for your NIC. dunno, why not give it a look?

jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAFGo to Top of Page
Becky Slater
Starting Member


USA
9 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  10:42:44
Yeah, that's a good idea. Since I'm hacking up the case, and I don't plan on putting the floppy back in, SURELY I can figure out something!

You guys are the coolest!

Go to Top of Page
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER


USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  10:54:06
quote:

Yeah, that's a good idea. Since I'm hacking up the case, and I don't plan on putting the floppy back in, SURELY I can figure out something!

You guys are the coolest!


jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAFGo to Top of Page
danamania
Official 68k Muse


Australia
1193 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  11:34:20
quote:

Yeah, that's a good idea. Since I'm hacking up the case, and I don't plan on putting the floppy back in, SURELY I can figure out something!

Putting it centred would give it a pre-iMac look about it too!. :D

Curiously - what sort of connector is the SE/30's PDS? I've never come across one irl so it's all ignorance from my side of things :). One of the links in the Japanese "Club 475" pages is to a LC475 with some extra guff in it, and a PDS slot extender that hangs out the back of the box connected by all dozens of wires!

dana

Go to Top of Page
cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader


USA
2965 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  11:41:03
A slot-loaded SCSI CD-ROM would definitely do the trick!

666th poster and 666th thread-creator
Mod of the Mac II series Forums
Total 68K Macs liberated: 7
I Have No Legs!Go to Top of Page
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER


USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  12:39:19
quote:

quote:

Yeah, that's a good idea. Since I'm hacking up the case, and I don't plan on putting the floppy back in, SURELY I can figure out something!

Putting it centred would give it a pre-iMac look about it too!. :D

Curiously - what sort of connector is the SE/30's PDS? I've never come across one irl so it's all ignorance from my side of things :). One of the links in the Japanese "Club 475" pages is to a LC475 with some extra guff in it, and a PDS slot extender that hangs out the back of the box connected by all dozens of wires!


<rolleyes> LINK!!!!

please! ;)

btw: it's the same as the slot in a IIsi, farsino, just a few signals are different cuz the folks in apple engineering are basically clueless a/o management at apple is just downright EVIL!

jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAFGo to Top of Page
danamania
Official 68k Muse


Australia
1193 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  12:58:58
quote:

<rolleyes> LINK!!!!

please! ;)

I don't know these things!

I did hunt for it again - I only kept the initial page as there was so much other neat stuff linked from it. It was somewhere off http://club.pep.ne.jp/~ogi2605/club475.html

dana

Go to Top of Page
Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER


USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  13:23:02
quote:

quote:

<rolleyes> LINK!!!!

please! ;)

I don't know these things!

I did hunt for it again - I only kept the initial page as there was so much other neat stuff linked from it. It was somewhere off http://club.pep.ne.jp/~ogi2605/club475.html


PFFFT!!!!!!!

thanks, banadana! it's the bottom link #7

http://club.pep.ne.jp/~ogi2605/club475lp7.html

that's probably way too long a cable to hang off a pds, btw, but it's an interesting idea.

jt ™.
Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball
C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAFGo to Top of Page
danamania
Official 68k Muse


Australia
1193 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  13:42:01
quote:

that's probably way too long a cable to hang off a pds, btw, but it's an interesting idea.

...and you may not need anywhere near that length - perhaps even an inch or two, with the right size connectors, would help fit (if there were still space problems) and not give problems with... y'know... signals and stuff (that electrical biz with interference and timing and problems with long wires)

oh I'm vague today.

dana :)

Go to Top of Page
~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit


Australia
2822 Posts		 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 :  19:33:18
Yeah, I'm thinking that it wouldn't be too hard to mount 2x PDS connectors onto pieces of veroboard and join them with IDC ribbon cable. You could possibly wrap the thing in alfoil sheeting connected to ground, but I don't know much about electrical interference and shielding.

~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
Go to Top of Page
   

68k Macintosh Liberation Army Forums

© 2001-2003 68kMLA

 Go To Top Of Page

68k of the Week: kastegir's PowerBook 180.