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MrLynn
Junior Member
USA
394 Posts |
 Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 05:34:01
I'm confused. Please enlighten me:Are rank and stars appropriated at will and whim, or are they earned? If earned, who awards them? Do 68K Macs you purchased in the 68K era count as 'liberated'? Does helping someone else resurrect a 68K Mac count as a 'liberation'? Why are the forums hosted by an outfit that seems to be selling term papers to lazy, unethical, plagiarizing slobs (not 'students'--'student' is an honorable term)? /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days). |
danamania
Official 68k Muse
Australia
1193 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 06:00:35
quote:
I'm confused. Please enlighten me:
Are rank and stars appropriated at will and whim, or are they earned?
If earned, who awards them?
They're automagic, given by the number of posts you've posted :) quote:
Do 68K Macs you purchased in the 68K era count as 'liberated'?
Technically prolly not - but it sounds good. Actually somewhere this was discussed, that macs bought in good condition from someone who cared for them also, don't count as liberated - but since they do count as Our Macs We Love, they're not anything less :) quote:
Does helping someone else resurrect a 68K Mac count as a 'liberation'?
It can be a new category :D. coliberation(?) quote:
Why are the forums hosted by an outfit that seems to be selling term papers to lazy, unethical, plagiarizing slobs (not 'students'--'student' is an honorable term)?
...I've wondered why it's here myself d-d-d-dana 
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~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 06:01:12
Are rank and stars appropriated at will and whim, or are they earned?
1) 'Member' ranks and stars are set by post count at this stage.
Custome titles are given to moderators.Do 68K Macs you purchased in the 68K era count as 'liberated'?
2) No, sorry. Does helping someone else resurrect a 68K Mac count as a 'liberation'?
3) Yes!  It's an integral part of being an expert in 68k!  Why are the forums hosted by an outfit that seems to be selling term papers to lazy, unethical, plagiarizing slobs (not 'students'--'student' is an honorable term)?
4a) The outfit offered to host us for free, and he already had a set of forums software that we could quickly swipe.
b) LitClassics doesn't sell, it provides a free service.
c) Papers are for the research purposes only. Honestly, if your teacher can't tell a completely copied paper, they deserve students doing it! Such term paper sites can be extremely useful if you are doing a fairly rare topic and you manage to find someone who did something close to what you are. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
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jruschme
Junior Member
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 07:17:28
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Do 68K Macs you purchased in the 68K era count as 'liberated'?
Technically prolly not - but it sounds good. Actually somewhere this was discussed, that macs bought in good condition from someone who cared for them also, don't count as liberated - but since they do count as Our Macs We Love, they're not anything less :) [quote]
People actually get complete ones? Wow! :-) I was starting to wonder if I was strange in that almost every Mac I've got/had has come into my hands either dead, stripped, or both.
(I'm actually starting believe that a Mac isn't "mine" somehow unless I've had to almost totally rebuild it.) Come to think of it, I think the closest I've ever come to getting a "complete" box was the $5 IIci 20/80. At the other extreme is my 840AV which came to me as just a case/PS. <<<john>>>
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scchicago
Full Member
USA
936 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 16:29:40
all my macs have come off of greacy dusty dirty shelves and basements. They are all in good condition except for fading and my LCII has a crack in the lower-left corner on the front of the case near the apple logo. My SE also didn't come with a keyboard. I guess I don't really have any liberated macs by your definitions. *sob* Well maybe I have one._________________
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~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 17:04:45
I think you're slightly confused - it's not a Liberation unless it' obvious that the Mac has been unloved - it seems to me like yours fit the criteria well!~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
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SiliconValleyPirate
Junior Member
United Kingdom
273 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 17:52:20
So in other words I have to set my liberation count to 6, 3 of which are contraband and all of which, bar my LC, cost me money.--
Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster
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FireWire is fast
General, 4 star
USA
1559 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 20:28:06
Did somebody forget to read the F.A.Q.?http://homepage.mac.com/mla68k/faq.html --------------------
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danamania
Official 68k Muse
Australia
1193 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2002 : 21:20:47
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People actually get complete ones? Wow! :-)I was starting to wonder if I was strange in that almost every Mac I've got/had has come into my hands either dead, stripped, or both.
(I'm actually starting believe that a Mac isn't "mine" somehow unless I've had to almost totally rebuild it.)
Some of mine have been definite rescues - others are perfectly cared for machines that just swapped minders :). My 605 (y'all knew I'd raise this...) server was a liberation I believe, as it came to me filthy, from a PC auction house who "didn't know about macs" and was sold as having broken vide0, for $5. On the other hand another 605 I bought was sold for $20ish and was in spotless condition inside & out :) The most liberated liberation was my IIcx - which had been through a flood, had a mouse nest (and associated droppings!) all through it - which worked fine after a good round of TLC :D. dana
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MrLynn
Junior Member
USA
394 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2002 : 10:07:44
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c) Papers are for the research purposes only. Honestly, if your teacher can't tell a completely copied paper, they deserve students doing it!
Maybe good high-school teachers who know their students well can tell; college TAs? I doubt it. quote:
Such term paper sites can be extremely useful if you are doing a fairly rare topic and you manage to find someone who did something close to what you are.
This is sophistry. At the very least you're letting someone else do your research, when the whole point of a research paper is to learn to do your own. More often, you're just plagiarizing. At least there's some justice, if you can swipe their software. /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days). |
~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2002 : 17:03:45
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Maybe good high-school teachers who know their students well can tell; college TAs? I doubt it.
You have a point there, and considering a lot of the essays up there are from the Australian curriculae they would be of some use to US college students. ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
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scchicago
Full Member
USA
936 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2002 : 11:01:46
so, if i payed for them they can't be liberated, eh?
well, now i only have one liberated mac. the one I didn't pay anything for. The LC._________________
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jruschme
Junior Member
USA
196 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2002 : 11:05:27
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so, if i payed for them they can't be liberated, eh?
Can we consider it as bribing the guards? <<<john>>>
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scchicago
Full Member
USA
936 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2002 : 11:07:34
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so, if i payed for them they can't be liberated, eh?
Can we consider it as bribing the guards? <<<john>>>
LOL_________________
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MrLynn
Junior Member
USA
394 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2002 : 14:32:09
Well, I paid [correct spelling] for all my 68K Macs, and although they were used they fetched a pretty price at the time ('used' was all I could afford; my first new Mac wasn't a Mac exactly: it was a UMAX J700 clone). So I haven't liberated any 68Ks, but I have kept mine safe from landfills and crushers.Two or three years ago I did help a young fellow (c. 11 yrs old) resurrect a Plus from the sidewalk. I never saw the machine, but corresponded with him by e-mail, and sent him system and other software to get it going. Don't know whether he kept it or whether it ended back out on the sidewalk, but perhaps this was a 'liberation' of sorts. Oh well. /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days). |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2002 : 04:22:12
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so, if i payed for them they can't be liberated, eh?
Depends. If the Mac was in bad condition (aka it was dirty, broken case, or completely dead), and you clean it up, get it going, and return it to active duty, then yes, it is a liberation, even though you paid for it. Get my drift? -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5
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Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
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