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bigsadhu Junior Member Cayman Island 462 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 08:21:26 Apologies in advance, but I'm pretty proud of my new baby... not quite a 68k, but it is one kickass Nubus machine! Its a loaded 8100/80... with a Sonnet G3/400 (the cool low-profile version that fits in 6100 w/AV card), maxed out RAM (264mb... thats 8 32 meg sticks), 4.5gig HDD, Zip, 24x CD etc etc. Definitely contraband! Its also got a strange looking "Sigma Designs ColorMax" video card. Wierd, as its got the VRAM (6mb I think) mounted perpendicular to the board, rather than flush. I've yet to have a proper play, but will re-post here if anything notable comes to light. I'll be interested to see how it shapes up to the B&W 350 - which is now throttled back to its original speed after 400 proved mighty unstable under OS X. I'm also wondering (though doubtful... not being PCI based) whether XPostFacto will enable me to install OS X. Cheers! CC Air Marshall, 605 sQUADRAn 1 eMate 300 1 Apple //e 1 Mac Portable 2 LC IIs 1 LC III 3 LC 475s 6 Q605s 1 Q610 1 Q700 1 Q800 1 PB 520c 2 6100s 1 Powerbase 240 1 8100 G3/400 1 B&W 350 2 PBG3 266s and a partridge in a pear tree Edited by - bigsadhu on 13 Jun 2002 08:46:34
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 11:12:03 that sounds like a sweet setup. I'm looking for something similar for my videovision studio card. The performance will be a little weaker than the B&w without any video acceleration and the slower system bus. I don't know about xpostfacto on nubus machines. It still a great find. congrats Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist 950 division Liberated Macs: 12 Creator and Keeper of THE NEWTON STYLUS ALLIANCE
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 11:20:41 cool. _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLineServer(closed): scchicago.dynodns.net Website(closed): http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE
TiMacLover Senior Member USA 1282 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 12:18:56 I am very interested in how OS X will run... Jeremy "I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd Covert Ops 68k Hacks General Macs Liberated:18 ENTER THROUGH THE GATES
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 12:52:30 OS X will not run on NuBus hardware. The only reason it runs on some unsupported hardware is that the drivers for that hardware are in Darwin and can be converted to Mac OS X kernel extensions. There is no provision for NuBus in Darwin. Keep in mind that even the 5400/5500/6400/6500, fairly new PCI Macs, will not work with OS X. Presiding Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (with SuperDrive), IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400 PCs liberated from Windows: 3
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 14:18:48 quote: Keep in mind that even the 5400/5500/6400/6500, fairly new PCI Macs, will not work with OS X. Not YET it won't. The author of XPostFacto is working on 6400/6500 support as we speak. It should be in the next version or the one after that. -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
bigsadhu Junior Member Cayman Island 462 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 14:32:25 quote: that sounds like a sweet setup. I'm looking for something similar for my videovision studio card. I'm interested in hearing more about this card... have you used it at all? What's the capture performance like? What are they worth these days? Cheers! CC Air Marshall, 605 sQUADRAn 1 eMate 300 1 Apple //e 1 Mac Portable 2 LC IIs 1 LC III 3 LC 475s 6 Q605s 1 Q610 1 Q700 1 Q800 1 PB 520c 2 6100s 1 Powerbase 240 1 8100 G3/400 1 B&W 350 2 PBG3 266s and a partridge in a pear tree
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 15:57:24 quote: quote: that sounds like a sweet setup. I'm looking for something similar for my videovision studio card. I'm interested in hearing more about this card... have you used it at all? What's the capture performance like? What are they worth these days? me too! my friend just gave me one and i'm dying to play with it. just gotta decide whether to set it up in a IIfx or wait and do the 950 thing. (soon marchie!) jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
oldmacman Full Member USA 713 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 16:30:03 Sonnet gave up on the 5400/5500/6400/6500 because there was some funky problem with getting BootX to work. I don't think anyone will get it to work. Presiding Music and NeXT Expert Macs Liberated: SE (with SuperDrive), IIsi, Quadra 700, 6100, PB 5300, PowerMac 5400 PCs liberated from Windows: 3
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 13 Jun 2002 : 20:42:36 for videovision stuff see the new thread in the lounge
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 14 Jun 2002 : 19:33:55 WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Another liberated 8100! If you don't yet know, i recently picked up an 8100 for free. It was supposed to have a fried SCSI bus, and it was crashing a lot. Turns out the problem was some dodgy SIMMs. Got 8 megs of RAM, a 250 meg HD, and a 8x CDROM drive. Haven't yet got 8.5on,due to the low amount of RAM, but under System 7.6, it works like a charm! Now,to find 8 8 meg 72 pin SIMMs and a 2 gig HD.... -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
FireWire is fast General, 4 star USA 1559 Posts	Posted - 14 Jun 2002 : 20:32:01 Jesus H. Christ, bigsadhu, what a rig! How much did that put you back? Or was it for free (ahem maclover5 ) Count me in with the 8100 club. Although my 8100/80av had a fried mobo. Now I just have a bunch of 840av case parts . And a whole lotta 16mb 72pin SIMMs! -------------------- keeper of the website , master of the Quadra/Centris Stick of Justice�, and figure-head of the Peoples' PDS Republic --------------------
bigsadhu Junior Member Cayman Island 462 Posts	Posted - 14 Jun 2002 : 21:42:27 No, not free unfortunately. It cost about US$150... which I think is not to bad considering all the extra bits! Due to some rough lovin' by the delivery morons the front panel had popped off the zip when I unpackaged it, and out dropped a long transparent rod (the eject button I assume), and a small spring.... I don't suppose anyone here would have any idea as to just how these go back together? Can't get any acceleration out of the included vid card, or my Radius XK either. Also I'm highly disappointed to find that the XLTV only has ROM v.1.3, and it needs V.2 to work in a powermac . Aside from that it seems just peachy. Cheers! CC Air Marshall, 605 sQUADRAn 1 eMate 300 1 Apple //e 1 Mac Portable 2 LC IIs 1 LC III 3 LC 475s 6 Q605s 1 Q610 1 Q700 1 Q800 1 PB 520c 2 6100s 1 Powerbase 240 1 8100 G3/400 1 B&W 350 2 PBG3 266s and a partridge in a pear tree
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 14 Jun 2002 : 21:48:29 quote: Can't get any acceleration out of the included vid card, or my Radius XK either. Also I'm highly disappointed to find that the XLTV only has ROM v.1.3, and it needs V.2 to work in a powermac . know anybody with the ptoper ROM and somebody with a ROM burner? btw: just posted this in peripherals; VideoVision Studio: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2030705681 jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF hot times down under tonight/tomorrow morning/now <rolleyes> whatever! ATTO Silicon Express IV fast SCSI card: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2030706806 Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 14 Jun 2002 21:51:37
QuadraJets Junior Member USA 344 Posts	Posted - 15 Jun 2002 : 08:39:06 quote: I don't suppose anyone here would have any idea as to just how these go back together? I have torn several Click-Click drives apart to fix a jammed solenoid. First, pop the top metal cover off. You will see the innards. There are 3 springs in it. One is connected to the front area of the drive and the moving chassis. There is another spring, a small one, by the spindle. It is connected to a black piece that pivots around the spindle. The 3rd spring is by the head assembly, next to the ribbon cable. It is connected to a piece that pivots with the head assembly. The clear eject button goes under the moving chassis, on the right side of the drive (front facing you). it slides into a notch on the pcb, where it contacts a pushbutton. pictures here: http://www.quadrajets.dns2go.com/zipassembly.html Once you get the spring and eject button linkage back in place, put the front and top pieces back on. Try it out, and see if it gives you the click of death. Artillery Commander/Engineer, 68kMLA Liberated: LCII , III+ IIci Quadra 700 (w/contraband card), 800, and 840av P550, 410 Contraband: Beige G3/300 MT o/c 400mhz (2) 6100's Keeper of the 68kmla Hotline mirror server: 68k.dyndns.org
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 15 Jun 2002 : 12:00:57 i say again... COOL! _________________ Leutennant SCCHICAGO HotLineServer(closed): scchicago.dynodns.net Website(closed): http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 15 Jun 2002 : 21:27:48 About my 8100: Unfortunately, the old beast died a horrible death this morning. I plugged in my power strip, as normal, and was about to start up my comps, starting with the PM first. Almost had a heart attack when i heard this loud "POP" come from the back of the machine, with a little bit of a spark. Thought, and hoped, that it was the monitor, as the spark looked like it came from the back of the monitor. Unplugged everything quickly, and did a bit of a sniff around. Turns out it was the PowerMac's power supply. Now, until i can find a new PSU, the old beast just sits on the floor, not doing anything. And that thing sure played a mean game of Wing Commander IV too... Oh yeah, one other thing, if i can't get a new PSU for my baby locally, i'll be hating the PAF sooo much you won't want to know me... -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 15 Jun 2002 : 21:47:16 quote: And that thing sure played a mean game of Wing Commander IV too... That was one of my most favorite wing commander games! Unfortunately it was on pc, i didn't know that ever came out for mac. I played that (and all the other wing commander games) way before i had a mac. I wish i had a copy of that for mac now. Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist 950 division Liberated Macs: 12 Creator and Keeper of THE NEWTON STYLUS ALLIANCE
FireWire is fast General, 4 star USA 1559 Posts	Posted - 15 Jun 2002 : 21:51:50 Now you know why you get so many computers for free, maclover5 -------------------- keeper of the website , master of the Quadra/Centris Stick of Justice�, and figure-head of the Peoples' PDS Republic --------------------
bigsadhu Junior Member Cayman Island 462 Posts	Posted - 15 Jun 2002 : 22:02:08 quote: About my 8100... Ta-dah! I may be able to help you there loverboy. When I first got my Q800 I blew out its PSU. Got a replacement... then in a fit of curiosity one evening I pulled the old one to bits. There is one fuse in there - an unusual ceramic one (6.3 amp or something like that) - which was blown. I haven't actually tested it out since replacing it, but I'd guess its OK. If you've got a local Jaycar you could try picking up a new fuse (Dick Smith et. al are crap when it comes to slightly unusual components like that)... and if that doesn't fix the problem, well, I could send you my spare PSU. I'll test it tonight. BTW, Mark Hamil's acting in the cut scenes of WCIV was so bad I was never able to take the game seriously enough to finish it! Cheers! CC Air Marshall, 605 sQUADRAn 1 eMate 300 1 Apple //e 1 Mac Portable 2 LC IIs 1 LC III 3 LC 475s 6 Q605s 1 Q610 1 Q700 1 Q800 1 PB 520c 2 6100s 1 Powerbase 240 1 8100 G3/400 1 B&W 350 2 PBG3 266s and a partridge in a pear tree
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 15 Jun 2002 : 22:19:33 WOOHOO! BIGSADHU, I GOT MINE TOO! box is a lil' different, but it's an 8100! it came with a Radius labeled keyboard and mouse, which i wasn't expecting. hasn't quite got the oomph of your behemoth, but it sure looks purty, next to my 21" Radius monitor it's configured exactly like piccie from the manual cover: http://www.everymac.com/systems/radius/system/system81_110.html what were you saying about a 3 MB disk cache? i don't see anything in the specs about it. this video card has vertical (empty and no DSP daughtercard either dammit!) SIMM slots like yours. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2030713774 there is a very short (1/2-3/4") little card in the PDS, is that a terminator? i've still got 2 open simm slots too! jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 15 Jun 2002 22:22:39
bigsadhu Junior Member Cayman Island 462 Posts	Posted - 15 Jun 2002 : 22:41:48 Score! I just thought it was amusing that the seller would specify what he had his disk cache set at. Low end mac says that running an 8100 with no PDS video card will damage the mobo... so I'd assume your mini-me card does provide some kind of termination to prevent this. Actually, my Vid card has the soldered on VRAM mounted vertically... very strange. Allows for higher memory density I suppose. I'll snap a pic for Nubus City soon. BTW, LML returned this morning, and brought with her my Quicktake 150, My PowerCD, and a replacement hinge for the wallstreet. What a woman! Cheers! CC Air Marshall, 605 sQUADRAn 1 eMate 300 1 Apple //e 1 Mac Portable 2 LC IIs 1 LC III 3 LC 475s 6 Q605s 1 Q610 1 Q700 1 Q800 1 PB 520c 2 6100s 1 Powerbase 240 1 8100 G3/400 1 B&W 350 2 PBG3 266s and a partridge in a pear tree
Gothikon Full Member Australia 537 Posts	Posted - 16 Jun 2002 : 02:48:33 I used to have a 7100/80 When I got it the PDS slot was empty and it wasn't until I'd had it for a month or two that I found out the PDS slots had to be terminated in some way. I eventually got a PDS video card but never had any problems with the board. Why is it that only the nubus powermacs needed the PDS slot terminated?
~Coxy Leader, Tactical Ops Unit Australia 2822 Posts	Posted - 16 Jun 2002 : 17:24:51 Congrats on that nice 8100! Just a Q. for ya: still got any of those sweet '040 pizzaboxes and Quadras left? It's just that I've educated some of the *nix lovers here at uni about the greatness of M68ks, and I mentioned about this great free source of 68k goodness in NSW. Of course, they immediately made plans to take an extended vacation in those parts... and they can always get one or two for me! ~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit Mayor of NuBus City v3.0
bigsadhu Junior Member Cayman Island 462 Posts	Posted - 16 Jun 2002 : 20:49:19 Yeah, I've still got a few sitting around... and I can most likely get as many as you need at short notice. So let me know - confirmed orders only please! Cheers! CC Air Marshall, 605 sQUADRAn 1 eMate 300 1 Apple //e 1 Mac Portable 2 LC IIs 1 LC III 3 LC 475s 6 Q605s 1 Q610 1 Q700 1 Q800 1 PB 520c 2 6100s 1 Powerbase 240 1 8100 G3/400 1 B&W 350 2 PBG3 266s and a partridge in a pear tree
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 16 Jun 2002 : 21:46:51 quote: Ta-dah! I may be able to help you there loverboy. When I first got my Q800 I blew out its PSU. Got a replacement... then in a fit of curiosity one evening I pulled the old one to bits. There is one fuse in there - an unusual ceramic one (6.3 amp or something like that) - which was blown. I haven't actually tested it out since replacing it, but I'd guess its OK. If you've got a local Jaycar you could try picking up a new fuse (Dick Smith et. al are crap when it comes to slightly unusual components like that)... and if that doesn't fix the problem, well, I could send you my spare PSU. I'll test it tonight. Unfortunately, i don't belive it was the fuse. A bit of casing from an actual PSU component got blown out the back of the poor beast. When i get the time, i should open 'er up and check the fuse, although i don't think it would be blown. The machine was not on. I had just plugged in the power strip, and saw this huge spark behind it, combined with a loud POP!. Bte, don't bother sending your old PSU. Remember what i said about the PAF? Oh yeah, FireWire, that wasn't the reason i got the 8100 for free. They thought it had a fried mobo, but the power supply was fine while it was there. The Mac was just crash city, because of an odd RAM configuration... -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 16 Jun 2002 : 21:50:57 Oh yeah, one other thing. Upon receiving an 8100, was i the only person to rip out the mobo, and remove the heat sink to have a look at the CPU before taking 'er for a test drive? Kinda weird... -------------------------- Pizzabox LCs RULE!!!!!!! Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 6
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 16 Jun 2002 : 21:57:58 quote: BTW, Mark Hamil's acting in the cut scenes of WCIV was so bad I was never able to take the game seriously enough to finish it! Ok, i agree the scenes are bad, really bad, but the gameplay was great! Goes to show you that both lucas and hamil should have quit when they were ahead. yes.... wing commander was lucas' fault, everything is that man's fault. like global warming and the potato famine of ireland... Sgt. Thelip Heavy Weapons Specialist 950 division Liberated Macs: 12
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 17 Jun 2002 : 05:31:17 quote: Sonnet gave up on the 5400/5500/6400/6500 because there was some funky problem with getting BootX to work. I don't think anyone will get it to work. I asked the author of XPostFacto a while ago how the support for the 6500 was going as I thought I was about to land a pair (I didn't in the end - meehhh). He said he had one machine, I think the 6400, working and had only to fix the SCSI driver for the 6500. This would mean that, resultantly, the 5500 and 6400 should work too all things being equal (and I bet they're not equal). I can ask him how he's getting on if anyone wants to know. Doesn't help the cause with the 8100 but it still shows it can be done on most PCI machines. Also shows Sonnet have no damn stamina -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 17 Jun 2002 : 07:57:30 quote: Also shows Sonnet have no damn stamina it's probably the stamina to deal with customers buying upgrades they expected to run X complaining about lack of performance that is the problem. if you want 9 to go faster, something like my Crescendo G3 L2/400/1MB is fine for my 6360, but, IMHO the only machine worth running X on an L2 accelerator would be the TAM. jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
SiliconValleyPirate Junior Member United Kingdom 273 Posts	Posted - 17 Jun 2002 : 14:30:15 quote: it's probably the stamina to deal with customers buying upgrades they expected to run X complaining about lack of performance that is the problem. if you want 9 to go faster, something like my Crescendo G3 L2/400/1MB is fine for my 6360, but, IMHO the only machine worth running X on an L2 accelerator would be the TAM. Yes, a good point, but that doesn't stop mnad idiots like me running it on a 7300/200. Besides, most of the problems that Sonnet had were probably TO DO with there infernal L2 upgrade not the x400 and x500 machines. After all, as far as I know, Rhapsody DR1 will run on a 6500. -- Mark Benson FlatPackMacs http://fpm.gotdns.com 2nd Lieutenant - 68kMLA, LC Quartermaster Flat Packing Macs for 68k MLA airlift excercises Macs Liberated = 14!
bigsadhu Junior Member Cayman Island 462 Posts	Posted - 01 Jul 2002 : 04:35:02 quote: quote: I don't suppose anyone here would have any idea as to just how these go back together? I have torn several Click-Click drives apart to fix a jammed solenoid. First, pop the top metal cover off. You will see the innard... ...age back in place, put the front and top pieces back on. Try it out, and see if it gives you the click of death. Hey QJ, I followed your pointers and got it all back together weeks ago, but only had a chance to test it tonight... Yipee! It works like a new one. Thanks for the tips. Cheers! CC Air Marshall, 605 sQUADRAn Honest-to-god, by-the-book liberations: 13, Other 68Ks: 5, Contraband: 7, PCs: Is you mad?

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