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Marchie
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911 Posts		 Posted - 07 Jun 2002 :  14:56:40
Ok.. I think JT might shut this down if he thinks I'm stepping on his toes, but I had an idea that might be up his alley...

The Links Project is GREAT!

But what about appraoching things from the OTHER side? After you've done the research and (hopefully) have posted in the Links project, what if your answers are STILL missing?

What about the strange peices of hardware that you just can't identify?

So comes the Orphan Hardware Project... where you can post info about specific peices of hardware, and let the resources of the entire community go to work on them.

I'll start with this:

The Newton "Cig pack" Fax Modem.

It works with Newtons, but what about connecting to a laptop? It runs on 2 AA batteries, and would be perfect for travel. Where are the drivers? The command set?

What orphaned hardware do YOU have? See the Links Project in this forum for the basic style and rules.

~Marchie

ps: Yeah yeah, I'm sure some of you are wondering when I'll post the stuff for my external TV tuner in here... I'll do it tonight or monday when I can take pics

~Chaplain Marchie

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~~"We are all Mad here"~~
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USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 07 Jun 2002 :  16:22:37
quote:

Ok.. I think JT might shut this down if he thinks I'm stepping on his toes, but I had an idea that might be up his alley...

nopro! you got me pagged! iLike!

i'll up the ante, how about another tac? a "strange but true" angle for this, or another related thread. any fairly unique hardware that IS documented, but almost unknown, posted to get more info and for the troops to keep in mind while scrounging.

*thinks he really hasn't done much on the Links Project Lately *

jt ™.
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thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 07 Jun 2002 :  19:01:58
When i had installed 7.6.1 (i think, it's not that anymore.) and ppp from apple on my pb 165, i thought about using my cig pack modem as a modem. I set tcp/ip to ppp and set looked at the modem profiles and sure enough newton modem was a choice! I used it for about a day until i got a supra express 33.6 with the adb power.

As a side note. There is a program for newtons called modem bridge that allows your newton to be an external modem for any mac. This might be old news. www.unna.org has it, i think.

Sgt. Thelip
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Marchie
Chaplain


USA
911 Posts		 Posted - 12 Jul 2002 :  09:24:12
ORPHAN HARDWARE

MicroNet 2GB SCSI Tape Drive

Model number: SS-D2000
The drive mechanism is: HP 35470A or 35480A

What I know: It'll work in A/UX, drivers are native. I downloaded the MicroNet SCSI utility from http://www.micronet.com/support/software.html thinking I could use it to install drivers, but no dice. On the Discontinued Software page linked from the above, I find nothing in the way of drivers.

I'm trying to use this in OS 8.1 on my Quadra 950.

help?

~Marchie

Edited by - marchie on 12 Jul 2002 09:27:39Go to Top of Page
thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 12 Jul 2002 :  09:39:45
quote:

ps: Yeah yeah, I'm sure some of you are wondering when I'll post the stuff for my external TV tuner in here... I'll do it tonight or monday when I can take pics

OMG!!!! Does it look like this or this??? I got this out of the ebay lot and i'm having trouble finding any info on it. PLEASE HELP.

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Edited by - thelip on 12 Jul 2002 09:40:10Go to Top of Page
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USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 12 Jul 2002 :  09:50:16
quote:

quote:

ps: Yeah yeah, I'm sure some of you are wondering when I'll post the stuff for my external TV tuner in here... I'll do it tonight or monday when I can take pics

OMG!!!! Does it look like this or this??? I got this out of the ebay lot and i'm having trouble finding any info on it. PLEASE HELP.


i've got a hunch you should be checking out the prototypes page where the paladin pctures are located. for some reason that card screams TAM or some other prototype to me. if it's a Paladin tuner . . . LOL!

jt ™.
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Marchie
Chaplain


USA
911 Posts		 Posted - 12 Jul 2002 :  13:20:49
Mine is External. has 2 ADB ports on it (no, not S-video.. they are MARKED ADB)

It's also marked RasterOps.

Doens;t look like ours are related... well, only as far as 2 TV tuners can be.

~Marchie

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Marchie
Chaplain


USA
911 Posts		 Posted - 12 Jul 2002 :  20:45:36
MORE INFO ON RASTEROPS TV TUNER

PORTS from L to R:

Power ADB ADB (Audio Out) (Audio In) (Vid out) (Vid In) VHF/Cable UHF (Both 75Ohm CoAx)


The main IC on the board says:

350 V1.2
0002-1971
cRASTEROPS 1990

that's a sticker on the IC BTW.

On the board, it also says:

TV TUNER
ASSY0002-0156 REV B1

someone once wrote on the bottom of the caseing: NEW 2-21-94

That's ALL the info I have.

Any help?

~Marchie

Edited by - marchie on 12 Jul 2002 20:47:50Go to Top of Page
thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 12 Jul 2002 :  23:52:31
While we are on the subject and this is a better place than the neverending ebay thread, i'll tell about my tuner card:

On one side it has a co-ax plug, a composite video plug (not s-video, it has 7 plugs 3/4/ and where the would be it's a big hole), then there is a phono plug (not the same as the more typical power plug with a spindle in the middle). I'm guessing that it might be power since it's on the "back" side.

on the "front" side there is another phono plug (i'm guessing for audio out), then the same composite-like plug, a yellow rca jack, and on the far side what looks like an infrared sensor.

this can be seen in the pics in my post above.

the board is marked like this:

PCB, LD50 TUNER CARD
AP2414-02
APPLE COMPUTER INC, (c) 1994

that's also stamped on the back in the board which makes me believe that the board when to production intended for this gizmo.


the main chip is made by philips and says this:
TDA 9855WP
177890
DfD94091DX
(note the "f" is lower case on the chip, that was intentional by me.)


All i've found out is that the Mac TV was code named LD50. AFAIK the card in the Mac TV went in a slot, whereas this card does not go in any slot nor are there any inputs besides the ones i already mentioned.

I'm getting burned out looking for info on this, which is probably a dumb thing to say because i'm imagining somebody just saying "oh yeah, that's a ________" and make my hours of searching useless, but that's life.

Just to look at it, it seems like it could have been a box just for tv reception then captured by a mac with video capture, but that seems like a tone of work just to capture tv. So it could be a board with the tuner guts that they put on the tuner cards to test them out or something. The Mac TV came out in october of 1993 , it wouldn't have been a prototype for that since the board says '94.

thanks for any ideas.


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2899 Posts		 Posted - 13 Jul 2002 :  07:51:39
quote:

. . . it could be a board with the tuner guts that they put on the tuner cards to test them out or something. The Mac TV came out in october of 1993 , it wouldn't have been a prototype for that since the board says '94.

nobody would make a production prototype for a testbed. my guess would be that there were several versions of the MacTV on the drawing boards and this is the tuner for the one that would have looked more like the TAM.

of course the first one was such a gutless dog of a CPU that they never went any farther with it. check out the prototype page and see if any of the form factors of the LCD proto's look like they might have used a board the size of yours.

jt ™.
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p.s. power and ground traces should be very easy to verify for the connector on the back. have you got any shots of the solder side of your board? is there any spec anywhere for that DIN-7(?) connector? do you see anywhere for this thing to output video to any kind of internal connector? where do the lines from J2 connect, is that an NYSC/PAL/Seacam select?

Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 13 Jul 2002 08:05:41Go to Top of Page
thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 13 Jul 2002 :  08:10:43
which prototype page are you referring to? the links on the webpage only refer to applefritter for prototypes. And what's this TAM? Sorry i'm not familiar with this acronym.

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2899 Posts		 Posted - 13 Jul 2002 :  08:23:43
quote:

which prototype page are you referring to? the links on the webpage only refer to applefritter for prototypes. And what's this TAM? Sorry i'm not familiar with this acronym.

search for "ptototype" in the forums here in the lounge of 68knews there's a good link i don't have handy. Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh. sorry this is terse, gotta run an errand!

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thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 13 Jul 2002 :  08:44:57
kewl, thanks. I should have known twentieth anniversary mac.

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Edited by - thelip on 13 Jul 2002 09:10:39Go to Top of Page
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USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 13 Jul 2002 :  14:22:35
quote:

kewl, thanks. I should have known twentieth anniversary mac.

uhh! prolly!

i bumped that prototype page to the top so you can check it out, i didn't see anything obvious, but some of those thin looking LCD macs or their undocumented counterparts might have been good candidates. check out some big bookstore that has a copy of the appledesign coffee table book on display and scope it out, you never know!

i think it's time to organize some of my bookmarks and update the ole Links Project.

here is some info on the oddball DIN-7 S-Video connectors:

http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/svideo2cvideo.html

jt ™.
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p.s. just posted this to you on AF, but i'm editing/adding it here for the rest of the troops in case they're interested, here's a link to pics of the insides of the MacTV, including the tuner card:

http://www.acornworld.net/~jmayrand/mactv.html

Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 13 Jul 2002 18:50:39Go to Top of Page
thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 13 Jul 2002 :  17:24:18
OK, good idea about the book. the three borders that are near-by don't have it in stock (so says their web page) so besides from driving around town i'm out of luck. I am considering ordering that book though, sounds good.

That link answers the technical question about the 7 pin plug, so now I have to figure out why there is one on each side. Obviously one could be a video output, but the one on the other side puzzles me.

I was thinking about making a box with photoshop to get an idea of what this would look like, but i suck at photoshop, so i'll just have to pretend for now.

Ahhh! this thing is driving me crazy, i've got tons of little questions spinning around in my head about this thing, but nothing is making any sense.

BTW, I emailed Tom Owad from applefritter to ask if wanted info on my stuff, but i haven't gotten a reply. If i could get pictures there maybe somebody could help out.
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Edited by - thelip on 13 Jul 2002 17:28:58Go to Top of Page
Trash80toG-4
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USA
2899 Posts		 Posted - 13 Jul 2002 :  19:08:24
this is my last post on AF to you, i think i'll stay out of your thread over there, i don't like posting the same thing in both places all the time.
quote:

check out the TAM "backpack", i'll bet your tuner is just the right size for them to have used it on the TAM.

http://www.acornworld.net/~jmayrand/tam.html

the in side and the out side (aux. video in for use with a video camera would probably be more likely) would be horizontal installed on the TAM. the only problem is the IR Remote Control pickup, that's what makes me think it was meant for inside one of the other slimline prototypes from that era. find out how long it was in development and if there are sketches of the design models that didn't make the cut.


here's a link to the AppleFritter thread if anybody wants to check it out:

http://www.applefritter.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=apple;action=display;num=1026549408;start=0

jt ™.
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thelip
Full Member


USA
729 Posts		 Posted - 13 Jul 2002 :  23:33:16
Yeah, let's keep it over here since it was part of the ebay deal and so far applefritter has offered any help. I don't know how quick they are to respond either, so it might just take some time. I'll look around for the backpack stuff tomorrow.

btw, my friend who just finished school for "something with electronics" will try to fix the freakentosh!!! He hasn't seen it but i described it to him and he sounded confident about doing it. He wants to what til the school starts in the fall so he can use their equipment. I'm pumped.

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