So now I've wasted several hours trying to get this thing to work, and
it still doesn't. I downlaoded the Installer from Intel (which must
have acquired Dayna at some point--nice of them to keep the support
pages for these obsolete devices up!). The IIfx runs System 7.1. I
copied over the Open Transport files from another computer (System
7.6.1), but that didn't help. Not clear whether OT is necessary,
anyway. I've disabled RAMDoubler and RAMcharger, as the instructions
say these can conflict with the Dayna card.

The card is an E/II-T, which appears to require the EtherTalk Phase II
extension. As far as I can determine, there is no other device driver.
The included diagnostic software says the card is installed, and the
EtherTalk extension, but I still can't see anthing else on the network.

/Mr Lynn

The only thing I can think of is: Have you changed your AppleTalk settings to connect via Ethernet? The Appletalk control panel should report that it's using ethernet and provide some info on address, etc.

Good luck,

G4From128k
Warrior Engineer and Trapeze Artist by Day
68kMLA Paratrooper in the CCC by Night

The Dayna software diagnostics utility (in the Installer package) seems to report that the driver E/11 4.3.3 is installed, but oddly enough, it doesn't appear anywhere in the System folder. If I put it in the Extensions folder manually, the machine locks up; if I put it in loose in the System folder, nothing happens, good or bad.

It's a puzzle. Anybody here got one of these cards?

I've also had some hassles getting the little bugger to work. I forget the details, but I'll have another crack at it today and report back.

Cheers!
CC

Air Marshall, 605 sQUADRAn

1 eMate 300
1 Apple //e
1 Mac Portable
2 LC IIs
1 LC III
3 LC 475s
6 Quadra 605s
1 Quadra 610
1 Quadra 700
1 Quadra 800
1 PB 520c
2 Powermac 6100s
1 Powerbase 240
1 B&W 350
and a partridge in a pear tree

just put the file into the extensions folder.

Artillery Commander/Engineer, 68kMLA
Liberated:
LCIII+
LCII
Performa 410
IIci
Quadra 700, 800, and 840av
Performa 550

Other macs:
Beige G3/300 MT o/c 400mhz
6100

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68k.dns2go.com

Sgt. Thelip
Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
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just put the file into the extensions folder.

Artillery Commander/Engineer, 68kMLA
Liberated:
LCIII+
LCII
Performa 410
IIci
Quadra 700, 800, and 840av
Performa 550

Contraband:
Beige G3/300 MT o/c 400mhz
2 6100's

Keeper of the 68kmla Hotline mirror server:
68k.dns2go.com

There is a file of 'Network Stuff' containing various 'Network Resource' documents, including one labeled 'E/II', apparently the one needed for this model card. But the Installer doesn't put this anywhere, either (these aren't extensions, so could they be drivers?).

Anyway, I'm puzzled. I can see potential problems with old software behaving on a more modern network, but I can't understand why nothing but the Network extension seems to get installed. And I can't find a file labeled 'E/II 4.3.3 driver', which is what is there, presumably, somewhere.

Three questions: (1) Does anyone remember exactly what networking software (versions?) comes with System 7.1 (I've got the disks somewhere, but 'twill take some digging to find them)? (2) What later networking extensions are compatible with System 7.1?

And lastly, (3) where the heck does the Dayna Installer put that driver??

/Mr Lynn

PS QuadraJets: couldn't find the driver you mentioned on your website.

the ip address for my web server and the hotline server is the same!

just download hotline client on an internet-capable mac, connect to "68k.dns2go.com", and click on "files", open the "Software" folder, then open the "Drivers" folder, open the "Network/Modem" folder, and download the extension, only 7k. copy it from the "downloads" folder in your "Hotline Client" folder to a floppy, and copy that to the extensions folder on the fx. Or, you could use LocalTalk to put the extension on the fx, to avoid the flopped floppy syndrome.

The card does not require EtherTalk, or any garbage related to it, all I know is that it needs this extension, because any installer I tried didn't work.

Artillery Commander/Engineer, 68kMLA
Liberated:
LCIII+
LCII
Performa 410
IIci
Quadra 700, 800, and 840av
Performa 550

Contraband:
Beige G3/300 MT o/c 400mhz
2 6100's

Keeper of the 68kmla Hotline mirror server:
68k.dns2go.com

Uh, where do I find that?

/Mr Lynn

PS Any chance you could just e-mail the extension?

<MrLynn@mac.com>

However (as I've told him), although OS 9 identifies it as an extension, when I copy it to System 7.1 on the IIfx, it becomes merely a document, and has no effect.

What to make of this, I don't know.

LocalTalk was much less trouble!

/Mr Lynn

The System 7.1 equivalent of the Appletalk CP is called the 'Network' control panel. It gives me the option of 'LocalTalk Built-in' or 'EtherTalk'. There's also a 'MacTCP' CP that has an 'Ethernet' button, in addition to the other two, and a 'More' button that opens up a settings panel.

I've spent more much time than I should have trying different settings, including TCP/IP addresses, in this panel, under both EtherTalk and Ethernet. So far I have not been able to get the IIfx to see my other Macs nor the printers in the Chooser; nor can the other Macs see the IIfx; nor does the 'Echo' test utility find the network. Retrospect on my blue G3 doesn't see the IIfx either.

But the Dayna diagnostic utilities say the card is installed and working, as is the driver.

I tried installing Appletalk and TCP/IP control panels from System 7.6, but they wanted Open Transport, and OT then stalled the machine at boot-up (from which I conclude that it's not compatible with 7.1).

So I'm stumped. I must admit to great and considerable ignorance when it comes to networking protocols. I have the suspicion that if someone gave me the right MacTCP settings, it would work--but that may be more hope than reason. Any experts on networking in the System 7.1 era in this Army?

/Mr Lynn

For those who may be interested in old Macs and such, this tale of toil and travail over trivialities has finally come to a happy, if embarrassing, end. It’s not QUITE as foolish as "Did you plug is it?," but it’s borderline: "Did you flip the switch?"

Actually, I had looked for a switch, on the back end of the Dayna EtherPORT card where there are two ports, one RJ-45 and one AAUI (looks like a Mac monitor port). And I looked on the front of the card itself. Not finding one, I assumed the card took care of managing the two ports itself. First lesson: DAA (Don't Assume Anything).

It was after several days and too many hours futzing around, trying different settings and getting nowhere, and discussing the problem on several forums, that John Ruschmeyer of the Mac Driver Museum Mailing List got me looking again: "Silly question..." he said, "Is this one of the older DaynaPORT cards with a BNC and an AUI port? If so, is the switch set correctly?" So I went looking again for anything that might be a switch. At the top right of the card there is a tiny, white thingamabob, showing part of a cylinder and a prong sticking out. "Could this be a switch?" I wondered. Tentatively, I pushed down on the prong. It moved about 30 degrees and stopped. "Well, let"s try it," I said, and went back to the AppleShare icon in the Chooser on the IIfx. There was another Mac! Second lesson: Try to find a manual (not easy, when the company is out of business).

I will say that no one I talked to remembered these cards clearly enough to tell me there was a switch, and what it looked like. Then again, maybe no one thought I was stupid enough to overlook it.

To recapitulate briefly: I downloaded an Installation package from the legacy Dayna page that Intel maintains, but it didn't work--no driver appeared in the Extensions folder and nothing on the network appeared in the IIfx's Chooser. Randy Singer on the Mac Evangelist got me to looking for an independent driver, which he had installed on a client's Mac some years ago, and warned me against using the Installer, which installs 'obsolete' code in the System. Gordon Harris on the List directed me to an unlikely gang who call themselves the '68K Mac Liberation Army' (they maintain discussions forums at default.asp.html), and they kindly provided a driver, known as 'EtherPORT IIN'. However, while this file icon LOOKED like an extension, when I put it in the 7.1 System Folder it became a mere 'document'. It appeared to have no effect whatsoever, like taking patent medicines for the flu.

My office/home network consists of two PowerPC Macs (my blue G3 and the orphaned Performa 5215 that my wife has to use, grumbling at its slowness), two printers connected to the network by a Farallon LocalTalk bridge, and an Asante Router linked to a cable modem. Thinking that perhaps the TCP/IP net required heavier lifting than the 'Network' and 'MacTCP' control panels in System 7.1 could provide, I attempted to install the Appletalk and TCP/IP files from the Performa's System 7.6.1. But that interaction was not pleasant for the IIfx, and I hastily removed the newer files.

At this point the ubiquitous 'clawson' on the Low-End Mac forums came to my rescue: "Grab Open Transport 1.1 and 1.1.2 from ftp://ftp.apple.com/developer/ and install them," he wrote. "Then try reinstalling the drivers." So I nosed around through Apple"s long lists and finally located the OT files (not exactly 'grabbing', but not too difficult, either) and installed them. After this, the Dayna Installer balked at running again--but the Dayna software and hardware diagnostic utilities seemed to indicate that the card and driver were still installed. John Ruschmeyer explained the process that Randy Singer had alluded to: "The EtherPORT driver is not installed as an extension. It is installed as a 'drvr' resource in the system file. It should show up in the Network and MacTCP control panels as an 'Alternate Ethernet' option." Actually the phrase is 'EtherTalk'.

Well, of course I had by this time gotten rid of Network and MacTCP by installing Open Transport 1.1.2, which gave System 7.1 versions of Appletalk and TCP/IP that it could live with. So, confident that I had every base covered, I fired up the old IIfx and went back to the Chooser. Nope, still nothing there. Over on the MacFixit boards, John Strung (who had also clarified the Missing Driver Mystery by pointing out that the Dayna Installer installed a System resource) gave me suggestions for TCP/IP addresses in the relevant control panel. That led to an afternoon of changing TCP/IP settings on the IIfx, restarting, running down to the office to get some real work done, returning, changing settings, restarting, running downstairs, and so on, and so forth. None of the settings worked, and not a lot of work got done, either.

clawson, seeing the futility of all this folderol then offered the sensible suggestion that I tie the IIfx to one of the other Macs with a crossover cable and see if the card was working at all. Which I did, and it wasn't. "Sounds to me like the card might be dead," said clawson. "Say it isn't so!" I cried. And then I remembered John R.'s innocent question about the switch.

And there was the Performa! The little white thingamabob WAS a switch, and that solved the problem. So I reconnected the cable to the router, and lo and behold! the IIfx is on the network!

It's not all gravy, as the IIfx doesn't like connecting to my G3 too well, but it's there, and I can access the printers from it, and even the Internet (with AOL 3.0). Now the question comes--what to do with it?

That's a question for another post. But let me thank all the folks who helped out with this quest. Though the object was elusive, and only made necessary by my simple incompetence, it was gratifying to rediscover the widespread and enthusiastic community of Mac users, especially the old-timers. In no particular order, this doofus thanks:

MacEvangeList: Gordon Harris, Stefan Jeglinski, Randy B. Singer, Jakob Peterhänsel, Bill Wright, Jim Huskey, Rich Jacobson, Isaac Wingfield

Low-End Mac Forums: clawson

Mac Driver Museum Mailing List (Yahoo Groups): John Ruschmeyer, Bhavesh, Isaac Wingfield (again)

68K Macintosh Liberation Army Forums: G4from128k, bigsadhu, QuadraJets, thelip

MacFixIt Forums: John Strung

With apologies to anyone I've left out.

/Mr Lynn

i've been thru that so many times i couldn't even bear to look in on this thread very often. the bane of my existance was an asante micro en sc for the SCSI port on the powerbooks. it was an open box clearance item, so i recently got another one from eBay to try again . . .

. . . i haven't had the gumption to try it yet!

thought you might understand!

of course that was when i only lurked in a couple of the troubleshooting forums and before that the first couple of times!

Don't mind at all, though I did go on! What (or where) is NuBus City?

/Mr Lynn

The only question is: what shall I do with it? Now that I have the G3, that's where I work, and I will have to say, the G3 is a tad faster. Suggestions are welcome.

/Mr Lynn

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Thanks!
What (or where) is NuBus City?

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