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scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 25 May 2002 : 18:46:23 Civil War might break out in the MacEMU forum between these two factions: The ones who think Abandonware is A-OK and the ones who think that Abandonware is illegal and should not be done no matter what. Where do all you guys stand on this abandonware issue? _________________ HotLineServer: scchicago.dynodns.net Website: http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE AIM:scchicago87 Yahoo!IM:scchicago
thelip Full Member USA 729 Posts	Posted - 25 May 2002 : 18:59:13 well, i'm all for it and honestly new software as well. I think software is way over priced. If the world was how i wanted it, the internet would be a library full of free stuff. I guess you could call it socialism, though i'd call it happy land. As a matter of fact I'm getting a 8600 (i hope) for my carracho server... but wait i've said too much.. goodbye. PM 8500 OC g3 420mhz (Daisy) (3) Quadra 950's Quadra 650 Performa 476 PB 165 Classic Newton 130
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 25 May 2002 : 19:03:34 This war will probably end in a draw, or keep on going forever. They'll either just stop fighting sometime, or keep on fighting forever! GOD! I'm the one that started it too.... It all started when I mentioned "The Macintosh Garden"........... _________________ HotLineServer: scchicago.dynodns.net Website: http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE AIM:scchicago87 Yahoo!IM:scchicago
Wonkothesane Full Member USA 506 Posts	Posted - 25 May 2002 : 19:56:56 There is nothing wrong with abandonware, companies do not lose any money if we freely distribute copies of their outdated software because they cannot profit from them. I could understand why people say it is wrong, though; if you could get an older version for free, why buy the new one? The flaw in that argument is that older versions are not always being run on new hardware, and using an older version might encourage someone to buy the new one. If I want to run CodeWarrior on a Quadra, I'll download CodeWarrior 1.0, but if I want to run it on my ibook, I'll buy CW 7.0 because it has more features. If companies wanted to make money off of demand for older versions of their software, they would continue to sell it. Since they don't, I'll assume they don't want any money from it (hence the name"abandon"ware) and I'll take it for free. quote: If the world was how i wanted it, the internet would be a library full of free stuff. Wonko The Sane Engineer-in-training 3 Macs Liberated "You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool."- Wonko The Sane
SpaceBoy Full Member USA 631 Posts	Posted - 25 May 2002 : 22:15:12 I have to say, I don't have a problem with 'true' abandonware- if the author/publisher really ain't trying to make money from software that's old/obsolete, then I don't see any problem with trading said software. On the other hand, I've also been known to download and use software that's much more modern. I've got a copy of Photoshop 6 from some hotline server. On one hand, I know that it's not a legal copy, but on the other hand, as a poor college student, I'd never be able to afford a legit copy. Besides, I don't even use it- I don't know how! SpaceBoy AppleBASIC FOREVER! As of 4/8/02: TiBook G4/500, "Difference Engine" PB 1400/133, "KayPro II" PB 180/33, "Osbourne 1" PMac 7100/G3-266, "DEC Rainbow" and "Altair 8800" Quadra 950, "HAL 9000" iMac Rev.A/333mHz, "Deep Blue" Newton 120, "PADD"
scchicago Full Member USA 936 Posts	Posted - 26 May 2002 : 10:24:46 Thanks for all your support. I need a lot of this old software that the companies don't sell anymore. I even use operating systems that aren't even sold anymore. If I can't buy them anywhere where can I get them at all? I find it completely legal. I am also in agreement with what you guys ahead of me have said. _________________ HotLineServer: scchicago.dynodns.net Website: http://scchicago.dynodns.net MyForumOnDelphi: http://forums.delphiforums.com/scchicago NOTE:HL AND HTTP SERVER ARE ONLY AVAILIBLE WHEN I'M ONLINE AIM:scchicago87 Yahoo!IM:scchicago
Marchie Chaplain USA 911 Posts	Posted - 07 Jun 2002 : 16:50:25 I understand that sometimes it's impossible NOT to abandon something, and that sometimes it's not possible for a company to turn the software over for free to the community. Take Apple as an example. We can download version of System 6, and System 7.6, and everything in between... EXCEPT 7.1. Well, because of deals made with other companies to embed their software into System 7.1, Apple can;t give it away for free, but they can;t make money off it either because almost no one is going to buy it at any price, even if there weren't "illegal" ways of getting it. But, no deals like that exist for the other systems, so we can get all the OS stuff we need for our old Macs. And then there is A/UX. Being a NIX head of some degree, I understand the relationship between AT&T Unix code and BSD Unix code, and how they relate. I know that Apple can't sell A/UX. But I have a Quadra 950.. and I have a copy of A/UX. I didn't buy it, I aquired it from another location. A/UX and 7.1 are abandonded. Microsoft Word 5.1 is abandoned, but M$ won;t let you get a copy of it. The difference between these is tHAT APPLE CAN'T GIVE US 7.1.. and Mirosoft WON'T, even tho it'd be no loss to them. I have a copy of System 7.1... although it's not installed anywhere. I decided that unless there was a NEED for it... I wouldn;t use it. Apple is kind to us, and gives us the old systems. A/UX... it's a little different. There's nothing like it, and thus I (almost) have it installed. Word 5.1 is a good word processor. I use it on my duo 230. M$ isn;t losing anything from me having it, because they no longer produce 68k software, and I also own Word 4.0 and 6.0 and 98. So what's my view? If software is truly abandoned... then use it. If there are alternatives to piracy, use those. If at ALL POSSIBLE: try and find a shareware programme that will do what you want, and don;t be a pirate. Our community of software developers is great. Support them! ~Chaplain Marchie Holder of the Compact Mac - -Stick of Justice, with Explodeing CRT head -Wand of Power with Shocking Flyback Transformer Tip* ~~"We are all Mad here"~~
cyberwolf New Member 91 Posts	Posted - 07 Jun 2002 : 17:12:59 Id say if it really is abandoned its fine to use if there is not alternative, however, just because it morally isnt that bad doesnt mean its not illegal. There is a big difference.

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