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bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
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 Posted - 03 May 2002 : 07:25:12
Listen up troops.I've 'acquired' a cool looking Nubus card; a RasterOps 24XLTV. Unfortunately it seems to be missing a bit. It's got 2 connectors on the business end - a standard mac DB-15 vid port, and what is I guess a DB-9 (looks kind of like a mini me DB-15). I'm told this second port is for a "breakout box" containing some video in ports. Does anyone here know a) where to get the appropriate piece of hardware from, or b) where I could get some kind of pinout diagram so as to get one made up. BTW, what exactly is a "breakout box"? Cheers!
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2002 : 08:23:44
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Does anyone here know a) where to get the appropriate piece of hardware from, or b) where I could get some kind of pinout diagram so as to get one made up.
wow! i just went thru this with somebody from japan in a thread somewhere! (fritter?) if the addy in your profile is the one that's best, i'll forward the emails/diagrams to you. meanwhile find and download the TrueVision (?) NuVista manual from the Gamba site, i think the pinouts are the same! the breakout box turns the DB9 into jacks for the video I/0. dunno id the DB15 is really Mac Video or not, the nuvista has 2 9's one in one out, but all the signals can be on one DB9 from my reading of the docs.lemme know where you want the mail! jt  ™. . 
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bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
462 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2002 : 08:31:58
JT, you da man!Yip, that address will get right to me. Ka pai e hoa! Cheers!
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2002 : 09:10:46
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JT, you da man!
yo momma! Ti be de man!i jus got lucky onna'dissa one!
you still be needin' de drivers, mon, so
you, droppa'line onna'otha lucky motha! 
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Ka pai e hoa!
translation?hope you're still up!
ciao, babyB! jt ™. . back again: i only inferred from the posts that the cable worked. i reread your post here just now, have you already got the drivers? if so, definitely contact the othe owner and compare revs or give him the drivers yo . . . . . you get the idea! ttfn
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bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
462 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2002 : 09:17:01
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Thanks mate! Cheers!
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
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Posted - 03 May 2002 : 09:21:07
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Thanks mate!
de nada, compadre!did you get all four pieces of mail? jt ™. .
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bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
462 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2002 : 04:46:30
Yip... all in the inbox this morning.The info you've given me looks like its what I need... I think I'm going to have to get some expert help on this one nonetheless. Wouldn't want to fry that beautiful baby! So thanks a million JT! I'll keep you posted. BTW, your DeWalt Dock hack sounds v. interesting... very Mad Max. The completed rig's going to weigh a ton though... 26.4 lb before the dock, the duo or the mounting hardware. Phew! I hope you work out! Cheers!
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Flash
Full Member
Australia
637 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2002 : 01:14:36
If ya like I'll warm up the soldering iron.... adaptors and connectors are my thing after all.cheers
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bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
462 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2002 : 01:42:04
Sure! Lets make a project of it.Cheers!
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
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Posted - 08 May 2002 : 06:41:56
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Sure! Lets make a project of it.
while you're at it, document the process, i've got to build one for my NuVista and if i follow thru and document mine, and ~coxy adds documented info on the one you sent him, we'll have a good start for a comprehensive 68k/NuBus VidCapCard resurrection howto!hey, maniac! you should be involved in this project if it goes anywhere, you're the one with all the info between your ears! have you got the box (hydra cable?) for your NuVista or did you already make an adapter, cable or box?? does anybody have any idea why my NuVista keeps the IIfx from booting? i sure hope it's not a deader! jt ™. .
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Flash
Full Member
Australia
637 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2002 : 06:35:43
well, we made the adaptor... kind of! The documentation at hand was a litle ambiguos - which is not suprising as it was for a different card! The doco appears to show two DB9 connectors on the back of the card, one for input and one for out. however the 24XLTV only has one DB9 connector (the other being a DB15 for the monitor). So we soldered up the video input, assuming that it's an input...and now I'm waiting to hear if it worked or not. Have ya tried it yet Bigsadhu??68k MLA ParaMedic |
bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
462 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2002 : 06:48:04
Well, Yeah... kind of.I found the drivers, but for some reason still can't seem to get any sign of life from the card. I haven't had a good bash at sorting it out yet though...so many other projects to attend to don't you know. Cheers!
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Trash80toG-4
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Posted - 26 May 2002 : 06:55:09
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The doco appears to show two DB9 connectors on the back of the card, one for input and one for out. however the 24XLTV only has one DB9 connector (the other being a DB15 for the monitor). So we soldered up the video input, assuming that it's an input...and now I'm waiting to hear if it worked or not. Have ya tried it yet Bigsadhu??
as i recall, the docs said the pinouts were the same for either connector (daisy chanied/wired in parallel?) on the NuVista, so i don't forsee any complications, does that make sense from your perspective? i think it's fascinating that this project has involved you two comrades in the S.E.Hemisphere, a fritter affiliate in the N.E.Hemi and myself in the N.W.H!i got involved with these things because the maniac seemed to be having fun with her Nuvista down your way. i got one with some other interesting cards in my first eBay purchase of a IIfx and i'm the only one (probably) without a working card! *sighs*  be that as it may, a friend may be giving me a Radius VideoVision setup, so i think i may surveve! he promised me a couple of other boxes FULL of 68k SWAG too! ya just gotta love it when somebody elses SAF works to your own benefit!  jt ™. .
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Flash
Full Member
Australia
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Posted - 26 May 2002 : 07:17:21
I did think of that, but it seems kinda weird that input and output happen on the same pins. I mean, how do you know if the signal is coming or going?? If this is the case I guess the i/o is handled by the Mac. Bigsadhu, if you're doing some testing then check if you can get signal in, and out of that connector I wired on. If that works, then I'll go ahead and wire up the rest :-)hey Trash, there is no audio i/o on this card. Correct? cheers
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
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Posted - 26 May 2002 : 07:42:01
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I did think of that, but it seems kinda weird that input and output happen on the same pins. I mean, how do you know if the signal is coming or going?? If this is the case I guess the i/o is handled by the Mac. Bigsadhu, if you're doing some testing then check if you can get signal in, and out of that connector I wired on. If that works, then I'll go ahead and wire up the rest :-)hey Trash, there is no audio i/o on this card. Correct?
didn't look like there was any sound to me on the NuVista, dana's an mine were both paired with digidesign cards for sound i/o. i'm gonna have to look at the docs about the wiring, but i can't imagine the cards having (or needing) DAC's for I AND O simultaneously, i would think the logic would gate the same DAC for both processes depending on what the software was doing at any given time. that makes sense from a design/cost/application perspective to me. but that's jus' guessin'!
sometimes i wish i really KNEW more about this crap! but if i did i don't think it'd be very mush fun. i think it's tying all the clues together and trying to learn about it that probably holds the real appeal for me. *sighs* jt ™. .
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bigsadhu
Junior Member
Cayman Island
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Posted - 29 Aug 2002 : 08:26:08
A late update to this thread:The 24XLTV project somehow ended up gathering dust on a back shelf (sorry Flash!) until my interest was revived about a week back, when I picked up a videovision studio...also sans breakout box. As luck would have it, an acquaintance of mine who works for a certain large telco was disposing of a couple of old breakout dongles... one for the videovision, and would you believe it, the other having a RasterOps logo on the plug! Now they're in safe hands (mine). I still haven't had a chance to try to get them up and running, however I've managed to DL the relevant software, and have taken a closer look at the cards and the dongles. Interestingly the Radius card has the male DB-9 on the card and female on the dongle, while the XLTV is the other way round, which makes the dongles non-interchangable. I still wonder if the pinouts are the same or not though. Updates to follw shortly (along with my first tropfest entry perhaps). Cheers!
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2002 : 11:07:14
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A late update to this thread:I've managed to DL the relevant software, and have taken a closer look at the cards and the dongles. Interestingly the Radius card has the male DB-9 on the card and female on the dongle, while the XLTV is the other way round, which makes the dongles non-interchangable. I still wonder if the pinouts are the same or not though. Updates to follw shortly (along with my first tropfest entry perhaps).
Sounds great, somebody gave me some kind of card marked "FRAME BUFFER I/O © 1990 DIGITAL F/X" that has no connectors itself, but has a daughtercard that has the backplane plate with what probably wasn't a fast wide SCSI connection on it in 1990?????? Methinks I'm short yet another breakout box !  He also gave me a comlete VideoVision Studio with the breakout box and I nabbed what I'm hoping turns out to be a SuperMac ThunderStorm DSP CoProcessor card (fingers crossed, hoping!) for the software for the VideoVision Studio (Premier? dunno don't remember! so many toys, so little time! ). There was one more VidCap card in the care package, but I think it's in the 81/110 and I can't remember what it was either!  Has anybody got any idea why putting my NuVista in a IIfx or a IIci would keep them from booting? . . . very strange, that's still making me crazy whenever I try it! Have you found any Docs on the VideoVision Studio? jt ™.
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thelip
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Posted - 29 Aug 2002 : 12:05:42
i had docs to the videovision card a long time ago, but i can't seem to find them. I think they were at www.radiusvintage.com or vintageradius, I can't remember, but it's gone now regardless. I'll keep my eyes open. This is a little off subject, but i'm getting one of the old school apple video confrencing cameras from a friend to play with. should be tons of fun.BTW, when I played with the VVS card, i used premiere i think. Sorry about the non assertive post. When I started typing it, i thought i knew more than it ended up. _______________________
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Posted - 29 Aug 2002 : 14:12:47
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ya just gotta love it when somebody elses SAF works to your own benefit!
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