• Hello MLAers! We've re-enabled auto-approval for accounts. If you are still waiting on account approval, please check this thread for more information.

Thinking of buying a G4 15", would like opinions

I would go for the HR 15" if you can afford it.

My 15" 1.5ghz G4 was $30 shipped (mint but sold as is). A new battery was $14 shipped and I added a 1GB SODIMM I had laying around so probably another $8. Still need to replace the DVD drive or take it out and look at it. New power bricks are under $10. Quite a few 15's on ebay are beat to hell, you just cannot drop the 15" and 17" models or they go to hell.

1280x854 is the normal 15"

1440x960 is the HR, nice but nothing earth shattering.

LEM says you are stuck with 2GB MAX on both models so DDR1/DDR2 is not that big of an issue.

 
The 17" looks kind of awkward to carry around, more like a desktop replacement then a laptop. Plus I think they had major defects.

 
One thing to note: the 15" (at least, dunno about the 17" inchers) are prone to having one of the two RAM slots die, and anecdotal evidence suggests it is *not* a rare issue. I personally had at least half a dozen 15 inchers covering most of the model variants (from 1.33ghz to 1.67, I didn't bother saving any 1.0 or 1.25 Als because they all had bad screens thanks to another bug that inflicted those models) and at least half of them lost a slot. I still have an HR 1.67 lying around I never use, dunno if the problem affects the DDR2 model.

Honestly, I would strongly, strongly suggest you not spend money on one of these things. If the slot goes it'll go with no warning. As noted, they also go completely to hell if they're dropped; they're not QUITE as fragile as the TiBooks, but that's faint praise indeed.

 
What is the model number for the HR?

I'm seriously wonderingwhether to place a wanted add on the forum. Shipping is going to be the killer.

 
A hot air workstation can fix the bad slots (Thinkpad T30's also had the same issue with one of the RAM slots going bad from using non lead solder).

 
Yep, and we all have a hot air soldering workstation just sitting around gathering dust, amirite?

 
Late models also suffer from NAPS; Narcoleptic Aluminum PowerBook Syndrome, which is a concern. Oh, and the low resolution models also have a good likely hood of defective LCD panels, like many PC's and the white iMacs suffered from.

 
Just wanted to thank everyone for their input, I'm still interested in getting one. As it has been said, most of the apple laptops have some issue or another, mig not post a wanted add on the forum. eBay seems to be far to pricey, compared to the $100 price range someone said I should be looking at.

 
Every line of notebook has its issues. I won a couple more parts 15" to play with, they are cheap enough.
I think to a large degree the point that's laboring to be made here is that:

A: The G4 Powerbooks, no matter how good or bad they may have been relative to their competition at the time, do have some known issues that are depressingly common in some instances, and:

B: Those issues were showing up back when the units were three or less years old. Now even the very youngest PBG4s are pushing over the decade mark. There may be some exceptions but generally speaking electronics don't improve with age. (Particularly when some of the known failure modes involve the cracking of lead-free solder which, again, started cropping up when the machines were still AppleCare-able, it's sorta silly to think that said solder joints just stopped being lousy at some indeterminate point after manufacture.)

In any case, these facts probably don't matter much in the case of someone wanting a laptop as a "toy", but where the discomfort comes in is it's been expressed that the desire for this laptop is founded at least in part in wanting to use it as a "daily driver" in place of an, again, 10 year newer machine. Anyone who buys a PB G4 should go into it expecting that it'll fall down dead tomorrow, so if it costs more than funny money, well... you're asking for regret.

(What constitutes "funny money" is of course subjective. For some people $100 may well be funny money. Doesn't sound like it here, though.)

Someone suggested Linux, much as I like and support Ubuntu, I dont want to try running my regular apps through Wine. The Acer has already demonstrated it can't handling running Firefox natively without struggling to scroll down pages.
But, wait, Linux is out because you don't want to run your "regular apps" through WINE, but you somehow are going to run those same apps under Tiger on a G4?

Re: the performance question way back, the Geekbench 2 results for the ACER would be around 3,000, vs. 966 for the very, very fastest Powerbook G4. (I searched for results from the same CPU.) And note that this actually understates the performance advantage of the Intel box; Geekbench 2 was sort of notorious for favoring PowerPC over Intel because it assigned very low weights to things like memory bandwidth and high weights to certain Altivec-friendly floating point and transform functions. The Celeron in the Acer is more like six times faster than the G4 in memory and stream tests, which are rated heavier in Geekbench 3. I'm almost certain the cruddy performance you're seeing on your new machine is due to it being positively riddled with bloatware, not because the hardware intrinsically sucks.

 
I agree a newer commodity laptop is better for a daily driver under most circumstances. Still if you don't want to watch youtube videos on it a last generation G4 would be that bad IF you have a bunch of usable PPC era software laying about.

The people around here vary in how technical they are. I figured if you can recap a 68k and troubleshoot it then getting a laptop back in operation will not be that hard. But from a never touch the hardware type of user I would stay away from PPC anything as your main machine.

 
The people around here vary in how technical they are. I figured if you can recap a 68k and troubleshoot it then getting a laptop back in operation will not be that hard. But from a never touch the hardware type of user I would stay away from PPC anything as your main machine.
Perhaps I'm pessamistic but my guess is that a fair majority of people who "casually collect" old computers, Mac or otherwise, turn all to jelly at the thought of touching something with a soldering iron. There's also the fact that a good brand-name hot air station's going to run you at least a couple hundred bucks (yes, there are ones floating around out there for as cheap as $60, but I'm guessing those... sorta work once, and then burn your house down) and there's no guaruntee whatsover that pointing it haphazardly at the base of the DIMM sockets is going to solve your problem. (After you've literally spend hours clawing the board out the laptop, which is a process charitably described as "difficult".) So then you're left blowing money on eBay for replacement logic boards and other dinguses hoping they're better than the one that just melted... *shrug*

 
As I've said before this is not to be a daily driver, this is for light surfing and writing my tech blog.

One of the reasons I'm looking at the last generation powerbook is partially for collecting and also because I have a decent number of apps for PPC already. If i bought an intel mac I would have to start buying all new software wouldn't i?

Atm I'm using a G4 1.33Ghz iBook and a 500mhz Pismo, I'm no stranger to repairing machines or trying to repair g3 iBooks with BGA failures.

 
Ah, that's different then. I mean, I just picked up a 1.42GHz iBook I'll be using lightly (so nice to have a CI capable PPCtop). And I just got a Pismo I use for writing.

I'd be patient, you'll be surprised what sometimes comes up.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I love the Pismo, it's a great little machine and with its 500mhz G4, I manage to get most of my writing and photshop work done without issue. The 12" G4 iBook is a lot quicker and the screen is great, I think if i dont find a decent powerbook, I'll just keep using the iBook for the more demanding stuff.

In regards to the Acer running slow to bloatware, I've been thought this machine and removed most if not all of the Acer bloatware and it still runs dog slow. I'm not the only person to experience this, reading reviews online, many of them mention the performance isn't groundbreaking. Seriously surfing on the acer isn't much quicker then on my iBook. At least the iBook as a much better keyboard and touchpad, that doesn't leave me wanting to pull off my fingers. I'm currently typing on the Acer now and it's driving me bonkers. Had I been able to do more then try finger typing in the shop, I would never have opted for this laptop, as it's dreaful for typing and the trackpad is £$"$%.

If bloatware slows this machine down this easy, I cant imagine running Ubuntu or the lighter less resource hungry Xubuntu would help much. Running photoshop via wine would be painful.

 
If bloatware slows this machine down this easy, I cant imagine running Ubuntu or the lighter less resource hungry Xubuntu would help much. Running photoshop via wine would be painful.
You do know it's trivial to just slap a Live distribution on a USB disk and find out for yourself, right? Just sayin'.

 
Back
Top