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Thinking of buying a G4 15", would like opinions

Hey guys

For my birthday, my father bought me a Acer V3-112P, in the months that I've had it. I just haven't been able to get along with it, the keyboard is really annoying compared to my Pismo and the touchpad is a nightmare. To left click you literarlly need your finger in the bottom left corner for it to register as a left and not a right click. Now with the the addition of Windows 10, I'm really getting to the last straw with the machine. It's slow, surfs webpages with amazing sluggishness and over all isn't much fun to use.

Which leads me to the subject of this post, I was looking at Macbooks on ebay, I can't afford a new one so was looking at the older 2008 models. However I've read that most of the early intel Macbooks suffered from serious heat issues, with regular logic board failures. After reading this, I was really put off the Macbook Pro idea, as I dont want a repeat of my G3 iBook, baking the logical board in the ovan and all that reflow stress. So that left me looking at the last series of PPC Powerbooks, the G4 aluminum, the 15" to be specific.

It looks like a really nice machine and after checking geekbench, I discovered the G4 1.67Ghz actually scores only 100-140+ points behind my Acer. In fact on some of the tests it scores higher then the Acer. I know it's an old machine, but my use for it would be writing, surfing and photoshop, the most predominant of these being writing. I do own a G4 1.44ghz iBook, but it's only a 12" screen, so not great for doing photoshop or the sharpest when it comes to surfing.

Just wondered if anyone on here is still rocking a G4 Powerbook and how they find it.

 
I'v been playing around with my 12" 1.5Ghz PowerBook G4, Having upgraded it to 1.25Gb of ram and installed leopard It runs pretty well. Even the internet works pretty well (Apart from video)

I Haven't actually played around with it too much, but it seems to hold it's own

 
If you want a computer for day-to-day general use, a Powerbook G4 won't cut it these days.  Internet usage really is slow, pretty much anything video-related won't work and Office 2008 is horrid on any PPC machine.  Acers have a bad name, but you could always max out the RAM cheaply and upgrade the hard disk to an SSD.  Don't trust Geekbench for PPC vs Intel tests ... Powerbook G4s were great in their time but pretty much forgotten about by the masses once Intel MBPs came out - they really did run OS X so much better.

If keen for an Intel Mac, a budget choice would be the polycarbonate Macbook, 2009 - 2010 - I've seen these go for $200 - 300 on eBay and they are still spritely to run Yosemite, and apart from brittle plastic casings are reliable solid units.  Couple this with 8GB RAM, 250GB+ SSD and it'll be a cracker.

JB

 
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MacBook Pro's from 2008 with nVidia 8xxx series graphics suffer from logic board failures. MacBooks don't really have as many issues like that, but you'd need the aluminum model from 2008 or the Unibody Polycarbonate model to really run 10.10 well (the non unibody plastic from 2008 and before won't go past Lion).

 
I was using G4 TiBook 1Ghz/1GB for a week, while waiting for some parts for my MBP and was quite satisfied with the performance. I was thinking about upgrading to SSD for those stock hard drives are slooow.

If you are not a flash-heavy user, then it should be alright.  :)

 
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I have a G4 iBook 1.33Ghz which I've been using for the more intensive tasks, I'm expecting the G4 1.67ghz would be significantly more snappy.

 
> It looks like a really nice machine and after checking geekbench, I discovered the G4 1.67Ghz actually scores only 100-140+ points behind my Acer.

Are you comparing Geekbench 2 scores to Geekbench 3 results? (Any powerbook score would have to be Geekbench 2, 3 is intel only.) Results from the two tests are *not* directly comparable, at all.

Recently I picked an old Thinkpad T43 out of the garbage as a possible "upgrade" to my even older Dell D600 linux beater; the T43 is basically a contemporary of the last Powerbook G4s, early 2005 vintage with a 1.8Ghz Pentium M. Two points about that:

#1: On Geekbench 2 the T43 slaughters the Powerbook 1.67Ghz G4, 1524 to 966:

Thinkpad:  https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/998977

Thinkpad:  http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/991585

#2: The Geekbench 3 score(s) for the same Thinkpad are only 126/232:

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2374670

IE, about 1/10th as high as the Geekbench 2 scores. I can't possibly believe that any Acer bought last year, not matter how craptastic, can possibly be even remotely in the same ballpark as a Powerbook G4 considering it gets its rear whupped by Intel laptops of the *same age*.

 
Indeed. Just wanted to clarify it a bit that if you have a machine that scores 900-something on GeekBench 2 that's optimistically going to translate to more like a 90 on GeekBench 3, so in raw CPU throughput at least that Acer is very possibly ten times faster than a PBG4. Of course, if it's all loaded down with Windows **apware and feels like it's made out of melted down dollar store spatulas it still might not be a very satisfying computer.

Personally I'd slap Lubuntu on it for grins and see if enough of the hardware is recognized for the machine to be usable, since that plus Chrome should make a perfectly swell web computer, a statement I base on the fact that the aforementioned T43 is actually almost 100% okay for web use and is less than 1/5th as fast. (Only thing it won't do is play Youtube videos full screen very well. They're fine in a window. Fan comes on nice and loud, but...)

 
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I was going to suggest uninstalling all of the extra crapplications would help speed the Acer up to some degree but someone beat me to it. :)

Can't help with the trackpad though...

 
I have a T43p and it is barely usable on the web (you need at least a dual core laptop these days T60 or better). Any PPC sucks browsing these days because of lack of video support.

The 15" G4 Powerbooks are nice (I just got one, 1.5Gzh) but the 12" models are more portable.

 
I'm not saying I'd recommend a t43 to anyone as their main computer, I'd just say it's... surprisingly okay considering it's a ten year old computer running modern software. I'd wholeheartedly recommend it over a 1.67ghz G4 given it's 50 percent faster and the latter is distinctly lacking in up to date software options.

(The Pentium M CPU is almost single handedly responsible for killing the PPC Macintosh. It's astonishing how completely the 2003 crop of "Centrino" laptops put their G4 counterparts in the shade, and Apple never closed the gap. Just imagine being an Apple engineer in mid-2004 and learning that the intel roadmap was to go all in on slapping multiples of that core on a single die...)

 
Apple was screwed when they went with the G5 for desktops and had nothing for mobile use so they have to keep using the G4. Then you have multiple core CPUs coming out for laptops and that ended any hope Apple had with PPC. Was there any work done of dual core G4 designs?

Don't feel bad, even AMD had nothing really to compete with Intels dominance of the laptop CPU. I have a pretty large laptop collection and other then an HP model with a K6-2+ and a NEC V20 Tandy every CPU everything is Intel.

 
Yeah, AMD had a leg to stand on in the Desktop market until Core came out when it came to sheer performance, but AMD never really cracked power management/efficiency. There were a few mobile Athlon laptops, and they were probably superior in some areas to the truely awful Netburst P4m models, but unless you really needed maximum plugged-in performance from a brick of a machine intel's mobile Pentium III chips were a better bet.

 
I should probably make a few things clear.

I was considering the G4 PB because I am A. Getting sick to the back of my teeth with the latest version of windows B. Tired of the lackluster performance of the Acer and the crap build quality. One thing you can say about the last line of PowerBooks, is they looked good and from what I've read, were build pretty damn well too. Probably a damn sight better then this plastic Acer :p

I have a very nice dual core HP DV7, which while a little old, runs circles around the Acer. The HP is the laptop I use for gaming or anything I'd remotely consider a desktop PC task, it's a beast of a machine and not very portable. Which is why I got the Acer, I didn't want something as fast as the HP, just something I could type my blog on, do light surfing (without stuttering) and a bit of photoshop.

For the past 2 days I've been using my G4 1.33ghz iBook and getting on with it pretty well, ok it could do with being a little quicker, maybe an SSD would solve this. It feels just as quick as the Acer and Tiger is a millions times kinder on the eye then the latest winblows OS 10. Someone suggested Linux, much as I like and support Ubuntu, I dont want to try running my regular apps through Wine. The Acer has already demonstrated it can't handling running Firefox natively without struggling to scroll down pages. Plus I'd want to back up the partitions and on a machine with no optical drive, I'd be left wasting an entire USB pen for the backup. Which frankly I think is dumb, when I could use a cheap DVD writable media for a tenth of the price. How USB pens work out more economical then disc's I'll never know!

I think for now, I'll install a spare SSD I have, in to the iBook and see how I fair using that machine.

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Unless it's the Hi-Res model I wouldn't do more than $100, and that being in very good shape. I might see $115 max for the HR. They're just not useful anymore.

 
They seem to be selling for more then that over here in the UK :( and the worst being that people dont seem to look after them, all the one's on ebay seem to be scratched or dented.

BTW how do you tell the difference between the normal and hi-red models?

 
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