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System 0.85

The System 0.85 disk also does the same in my copy of Mini vMac. In the OS X build, I see the "Abnormal Situation" error, press C and it resumes to the desktop.
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I got the same abnormal situation error. I tried to click OK, but I got an emty, flickering error box. I had to control-q-y it to death. This is the OS X version of the Plus variant, btw.

I probibly should not mention this, but I don't have the 128k rom file, or else I would try it in that. I used copyroms on my personal Macintosh Plus to get the rom file to run Mini vMac. Normally, it runs a 80mb hard drive image with system 7.5.5 (highly vmac customized), with about a million games in it. It's about all I use it wor. Best dark castle platform, ever.

oh, and Macjunky, your right. The Mac Mini is still lagging behind, it only has the Core Duo (Core 1 Duo?) chip in it. All of the rest of apple's current line have Mermon C2D chips. We may see them move to the just released Santa Rosa C2D in a bit, the other laptop companies just did it this past week en masse.

-digital ;)

 
wow, this is an odd system. I would say it is a late beta version. diffrent about box, the training menu, diffrent icons, diffrent dialog box, the odd way it opens and closes windows, the diffrent clock DA, and what appears to be the Key Caps app crashing when I open it.

odd system version. someone might want to email hertzfield and let him know our discovery.

-digital ;)

 
Here's some screenshots for those of you that can't get it running:

Here's the blank desktop. Note the old floppy icons and the Training menu:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3550/picture1dw9.png

Here's the Startup Disk as shown from The Finder. Note the old "System Files" icons showing what appears to me a Macintosh with a Twiggy floppy drive, and the more rounded folder. Also note that The Finder isn't yet designated as one of the "System Files". Also note that there is no "System Folder" yet, and the "System Files" are just stuck in the root of the drive. This is because the folders in the old Macintosh File System were a farce. It was a one-level filesystem. The folders were illusions created by The Finder. Also note that the scroll bars in this early Finder don't white out when there's nothing to scroll to. The little scroll blocks stay there all the time.:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6711/picture2mb5.png

Here's the "About the Finder" Dialog. Note the different picture, and the date of December 4, 1983:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2905/picture3qs1.png

This is what a "Get Info" window looks like. The only difference here is that it doesn't show the time of creation:

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1012/picture4ca7.png

This is the File Menu. It's the same as in the shipping version of System 1, as are the Edit and View menus:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9021/picture5vd2.png

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1770/picture6iy3.png

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5715/picture7bl3.png

Here's the Special Menu. Note the lack of the Erase Disk and Set Startup options:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1990/picture8zx9.png

The Training Menu seems to have only one purpose; to reset The Finder:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2811/picture9qf5.png

Here's a little dialog box. The yelling face is kinda different, as is the layout and wording. Also, as a side note, as you click on different things that The Finder can't open, it beeps more at you. One beep the first time, two beeps the second time... It does this up to three beeps, and then just keeps beeping at you three times:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9093/picture10ob9.png

Here's the Apple Menu, showing the DA's:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6338/picture11ae1.png

Here's the Clock DA. It's radically different, and actually looks more like it belongs on a Lisa:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6663/picture12nw5.png

Here's the Calculator. Note the different arrangement of the buttons:

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1230/picture13kb8.png

Key Caps seems to crash and take down the entire system when it is launched:

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6219/picture14ex1.png

The Puzzle DA is there and exactly the same:

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7439/picture15cq6.png

The NotePad DA is there and exactly the same:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7775/picture16rk8.png

The Scrapbook DA seems to be non-functional. Perhaps that's why it says "This space for rent..." in it :p :

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7088/picture17sb7.png

And of course, the famous Control Panel:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5008/picture18eo3.png

And there you have it! That's the system that started the system that started it all!

 
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I ran the first version fine, but when I try the second version (the one with the beta Finder) it puts up the "abnormal situation" message when it starts up. I press C to continue and it's fine after that, except there is an "unknown disk" on the Mac's desktop as well as the "system 0.87" disk - what's going on there?

 
It does the same thing for me. It's no major issue, probably just a few bugs. Notice that the unknown disk is only 200 and it's ghosted.

 
What does the ghosting of the unknown disk mean?

So which version is the version that runs when you use the Guided Tour disk? The one with this beta Finder, or the first download in the topic that has Finder 1.0?

 
That ghost disk appears when you run it on a real 128K mac as well. And so does the Key Caps crash. The about box is interesting because it is actually drawn up using quickdraw rather than being a PICT resource. And, to bring up something lost from the old forums, there's a grim reaper icon in the Finder, but I couldn't find anything in the code that referenced it :-(

Here's the google cache for the old thread - may or may not work...

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:AvCiQpwm-X8J:68kmla.org/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D8223%26view%3Dprevious%26sid%3Dca34b2a035a9354248b85926d6cb9c55+%22System+0.85%22+%22Grim+Reaper%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&client=firefox-a

Ken

 
On my version of Mini vMac 128k, you can very briefly see "Mounting Mousing Around on the Desktop" and the same for "AMAZING". Maybe it was supposed to mount to the Unknown Disk.

However, both Mousing Around and Amazing still work.

 
Hey, just reporting I'm getting both 404 and 500 errors when I try to download the System .zip files in the first few posts... :p

Thx.

 
The server went through a reformat and restore a week ago, and the files

were lost. Since I assumed the thread was dead I just deleted it... now I

need to go back through my local drives and find it.

If I do, i'll let you know and post up a link.

EDIT: Spoke too soon, it was there on my (incredibly messy) desktop. The link should work again.

http://www.irctunes.co.nr/system085.zip

 
That ghost disk appears when you run it on a real 128K mac as well.
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See this: Macintosh System Update insert. Dated January 25, 1984.

Evidently the ghost disk was originally used to copy files in the one-disk system. e.g. drag your files to the unknown disk image and you are prompted to insert the disk you want to copy to, then the unknown disk becomes whatever disk you insert and the files copy, most likely the disk was auto-ejected when finished and the unknown disk returned to the desktop. Obviously this was a bad idea they quickly changed.[/url]

 
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