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System 0.85

It behaves like the trash in my copy of System 0.85 - so beware what you put in there! (So it will be deleted on launch of another application.) Maybe that's a side affect of whatever caching it used for this other copying behaviour. Will see what happens if I insert another disk when I get home.

Also, on System 0.85 it seems the scrollbars don't white out when the entire window contents are displayed.

Someone mentioned earlier that Scrapbook appeared non-functional, but it works for me.

Ken

 
That note above is very interesting actually. Is there a copy of the referenced "Macintosh, your owner's guide" scanned online somewhere? I'd like to read the "Alternate folder" or "Unknown folder" references mentioned in particular.

A few people in another thread listing their macs mention they have the manual. How about providing a scan for the rest of us? :-) A lot of the Apple II stuff is available this way, and almost everything for TRS-80, but there seems to be a dearth of Macintosh material... :-(

 
Yes and so would I like to see the original manual, but to date I have not seen a copy of this manual which was replaced by a newer version a shortly after Macintosh shipped, even before 1.1 came out in April. So not many to be had.

As for putting something in the Unknown Disk, my experience was it did indeed disappear like the trash after a restart, but it reappeared in its original location and was not deleted. The nearest I can figure out, is you would drag the files you wanted to copy to it, eject your source disk, insert the copy-to disk and drag the files out of the Unknown Folder and into your copy disk. Basically the unknown folder seems to act as a RAM cache, holding the files in memory until you copy them somewhere else. Of course on a 128K, I doubt it held much before you had to start swapping disks though.

 
Click here to read >

As for the Macintosh demo at the 1984 Shareholders Meeting ....
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I wrote about that very topic ! lol

Click here ta read it > "Macintosh Unveiling" Demo Floppy"

... you'd have better luck emailing anyone from the Mac Development Team ....
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Someone else also broached that idea, too

Andy Herzfeld was contacted via email & responded ....

Sorry, I used to have floppies for the intro demo and the window manager demo

(ie, bouncing pepsis) but I misplaced them many years ago.

Sorry I couldn't help you.

... EXCEPT Steve Jobs. He doesn't respond to anyone without an "@apple.com" email address.
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That's the response I got. lol

Click here to read > "Steve Jobs's eMail Address"

:b&w:

 
I'm amazed at seeing the Tour Disc accessed in this way. It's great seeing it again. But someone just named the disc .85. I recall it should be named Tour. Notice nowhere in the Get Info does it give you a version of .xx anything. To the best of my knowledge this did not exist. It was just versioned "Macintosh Software". No version number. Understand that the Tour Disc was a type of autoplay event. You're not meant to interact with the Special OS on that disc the way that you are using the emulator. It's a special version only for making the tour work. So you are going to see inconsistencies. When you opened the box for your Macintosh(128k) there where two audio cassette tapes. The first one helped you unpack and setup your mac. The second tape gave instructions about how to unpack the discs and gave strict instructions. There was calming piano music as the mac booted. To take each tour one clicked on the tour icon and then synchronized the audio on the tape with the animations on the screen by clicking the mouse when you heard the 3rd tone. As far as I know that was the very first multimedia presentation ever given.

 
The System is a perfectly normal System, and it's version number is accessible just as for the later Systems - and reports as 0.85. The Finder is also on the disk, but named RealFinder and has only minor changes from a true standalone Finder (e.g. a "Quit" menu that can be fairly easily hacked away). A google search for "System 0.85" will bring up, among other things, my page discussing this at http://school.anhb.uwa.edu.au/personalpages/kwessen/web/stories/EarlyMacStories.html#system085.

Ken

 
The System is a perfectly normal System, and it's version number is accessible just as for the later Systems - and reports as 0.85.
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Yes, but you fail to say how ... you cannot use Get Info to get the System version. There is a small freeware app called SysVersion just for this purpose on the early systems that did not otherwise have a way to report it, which may or may not be able to locate the MGT .85 version since it is kept in a different resource than .97 and up. The other way to do it is with ResEdit and look at the original resource code where it is clearly stated.

As Kallikak correctly states, you have to break into the MGT System in order to run such applications on it, as it has been copy protected by Apple specifically to keep people from accidentally using it as a standalone system.

 
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