SE internal HD configure, spoon feed me!

[unity]

So I got a new SE, internal drive worked enough that Disk First Aid would see it, but fail to initialize. HD SC Setup always said a suitable drive could not be located. Then the drive detonated. Enter the replacement 4.5 GB Seagate. Working with System 7.0.1 and 6.0.8 at the moment. But driver was partitioned into three under 7.6.1 with each partition under 2GB. This was done on a Performa 5215CD.

So now back to the SE. Installed drive and boot 7.0.1 Disk Tools. Still no go with HD SC Setup and First Aid does not even see it. Managed to get SCSI Probe running. Complained it was not terminated. Oops! So I terminated. Now Probe sees the drive at 0 as it is set to. But HD SC Setup and First Aid still do not see it. Probe will not mound it.

Next move?

ST34555N is drive model

No jumpers besides reserved block on front

Jumper strip has jumper at each far end across. One to terminate bus, other to terminate power to SCSI bus (jumper was already there)

 

[unity]

Now its back to saying not terminated. And when I launch SCSI probe, the drive activity light goes solid on and stays on until I shut the whole thing down. Ugh...

Edit: Its there, its gone, its there. Swapped cables to the original (small section of one wire missing). Same thing. So tomorrow I am going to swap motherboards to rule out a bad solder at connector, bad SCSI controller, etc.

 

[Macdrone]

How did you use a 5200 series Mac to format the drive? The powermac uses IDE interface and the SE is SCSI. That's your first issue. I am surprised it hasn't destroyed itself on you already.

If you used an external enclosure that would make sense. The problem here lies in that 7.6.1 doesn't use MFS and the drive is not bootable. Make sure it's formatted that way. You will need a patched HD setup to use on non apple drives or a hard disk toolkit(or silver lining) to make it bootable. After that it should go pretty smooth. Look up on the internet for third party HD in macs on the net you should see a bunch of info on the subject if you don't find it here.

Hope that helps.

 

[CC_333]

I agree with Macdrone, mostly*. By formatting it on a Power Mac, you put a newer version of the disk driver on the drive that the SE doesn't understand.

I use Lido or a patched copy of Apple HD SC Setup to format drives like this. Be aware though that the maximum partition size under System 7.5 or earlier is 2 GB.

*The SE doesn't need to have it's drive formatted as MFS as HFS works fine. Perhaps he meant HFS Standard vs. HFS Extended?

c

 

[unity]

How did you use a 5200 series Mac to format the drive? The powermac uses IDE interface and the SE is SCSI. That's your first issue. I am surprised it hasn't destroyed itself on you already.

That makes no sense to me. So what you are saying is that Apple modified its 4X SCSI CD-Rom drive to run as IDE?

 

[unity]

I agree with Macdrone, mostly*. By formatting it on a Power Mac, you put a newer version of the disk driver on the drive that the SE doesn't understand.
I use Lido or a patched copy of Apple HD SC Setup to format drives like this. Be aware though that the maximum partition size under System 7.5 or earlier is 2 GB.

*The SE doesn't need to have it's drive formatted as MFS as HFS works fine. Perhaps he meant HFS Standard vs. HFS Extended?

c

Maybe, but the drive was already formatted once under MacOS 9. So really does not matter at this point. I would think that even with an updated driver on it, the SE should be able to see it and format it subsequently installing its own driver.

Yes there is a 2GB ceiling under System 7, as I mentioned above. So I bump them a few MB under to be safe. I am going to try another mobo quick, just to rule it out though.

Last night I did read up about patching HD setup and how it works better than HD SC Setup. So I will try that too.

http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/drvsetup.html

 

[Macdrone]

I didn't see you used the cd rom scsi. HFS standard is the format it must be.

Like mentioned a third party format tool or patched apple needs to be used. A disk made in OS 9 is not bootable in 8.6 or less. I backed up all my older systems on a Mac OS 9 cd backup and when put into an OS 8.6 or less computer it's says can only be read by OS 9.

 

[unity]

I didn't see you used the cd rom scsi. HFS standard is the format it must be.
Like mentioned a third party format tool or patched apple needs to be used. A disk made in OS 9 is not bootable in 8.6 or less. I backed up all my older systems on a Mac OS 9 cd backup and when put into an OS 8.6 or less computer it's says can only be read by OS 9.

I know about the whole HFS/HFS+ fiasco, but I am not trying to make anything bootable at this time. I am just trying to get the SE to recognize the drive. One step at a time!

Maybe the drive is defective. It always mounted, moved data and initialized on the 5215 just fine until I introduced it to the SE where it would not work right. But putting back in the 5215 was still never an issue. I got a copy of the modified HD SC Setup and tried to format it again on the 5215 under 7.6.1 but the drive got hosed. It failed during formatting which hung up the Performa.

I am running Drive Setup now after a reboot. It says the drive needs a low level format. Will see what happens.

 

[unity]

On the 5215 under 7.6.1. Used Drive Setup to low level format. Success. Then used the modified HS SC Setup to partition it out into 3. One 500, the other two 1.7GB each. Then initialized each partition after setting "mount on boot" and doing a restart. Everything looked good. Put in SE, nothing. SCSI probe sees it, but won't mount.

Now I am on the SE with the custom HD SC Setup initializing the drive. Will see if that works, then maybe just two partitions. When I tried to bring up partitions it said there were too many to display? I dunno.

 

[unity]

I give up. Patched HD SC Setup formatted the drive to the point of verifying on the SE. Then it said it could not initialize because it could not write to disk. I think that is because of the drive size? No matter since it won't let me partition it. And if I try to test it, says it can not read. It a wonderful circle of confusion!

At this point it may be formatted. So I will try again in the Performa with the patched HD SC Setup and put just one partition on the drive under 2GB. I really feel like I am waisting my time on this one. I just don't get where the issue is. I know there is a 2GB ceiling, but if I can not partition then it does not matter.

And it did format, partition and initialize on the 5215 just fine.

If I had another SCSI drive on hand, I would be going that route.

 

[Macdrone]

It's been years but that drive looks familiar. I would check the net on jumper settings but the issue you should address is recapping that motherboard. It won't be dependable the way it is especially if it is as used as you say. I have yet to see an SE 30 board that didn't need it at this point. The first lead in to that fact is the low sound and high burn in you mention.

Also search here or ask Uniserver as he has recapped a few and he may have some insight.

 

[uniserver]

I format my 10,000rpm 73gig SCA drives in OS9, i make like 8 partitions 1.7gig each. set them all to Standard.

hit go…

Then I drag and drop what ever os i want on there. for instance for a Macintosh SE 8mhz, i would do 7.1. command + A, Drag and drop onto the first partition. and pop it in the SE and boom it works.

is he talking about a SE or SE/30… i do not know.

 

[unity]

It's been years but that drive looks familiar. I would check the net on jumper settings but the issue you should address is recapping that motherboard. It won't be dependable the way it is especially if it is as used as you say. I have yet to see an SE 30 board that didn't need it at this point. The first lead in to that fact is the low sound and high burn in you mention.
Also search here or ask Uniserver as he has recapped a few and he may have some insight.

I looked the drive up in more detail. According to Apple, its a supported drive. But only the patched HD SC Setup has been able to work with it. I just changed the jumpers to default, so I will see what happens.

And I think the rest you mashed up from another post? I have an SE, not a 30 and no sound or burn-in issues. But its late, I forgive you. lol I am only up because I am waiting for a geomagnetic storm to kick in so I can shoot northern lights outside while its minus 18 degrees!

 

[uniserver]

post a pic for us

minus 6 degrees here… was minus 12 lastnight.

we aint use to this kind of cold here. this crap is FREEK!

 

[unity]

I format my 10,000rpm 73gig SCA drives in OS9, i make like 8 partitions 1.7gig each. set them all to Standard.hit go…

Then I drag and drop what ever os i want on there. for instance for a Macintosh SE 8mhz, i would do 7.1. command + A, Drag and drop onto the first partition. and pop it in the SE and boom it works.

is he talking about a SE or SE/30… i do not know.

Thats what is driving me nuts! I should be that simple. And its weird that I can format, partition, initialize on the 5215 under 7.6.1 and they appear just fine. Then the SE won't see them. It has to be the drive, something is not right. I am trying a few things with jumpers now. Not the SCSI select, the other jumpers on the drive. And at this point I am using SE motherboard #3 just to rule out funky issues there.

At least my mouse skills are improving. I seem to have gotten WAY to used to a Magic Mouse! LOL

 

[unity]

Success! I forgot to do one step I did not sell my soul to the Devil. Now that I did that, it works!!

Ok. Not really sure what the issue was after the last round of low formatting. But I did notice that there were, for whatever reason, several small partitions. I did not pay attention since they were small driver partitions. My guess is that was the issue.

This last time, I low level formatted the drive (again) on the 5215 and partitioned it into two parts. This means I lost about 600MB of the capacity since its a 4.5GB and 2 is the max. But this time I also noticed just three areas of the drive, one for driver and two for partitions. Jumpers are all default, SCSCI ID is 0. I used the cable that was in the SE. This cable has a cut wire (small section missing) in the ribbon. Not sure what its for, but I am using it and it works.

Now to install a system and get this thing producing floppies!