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SE/30 – 7.5.3 , 7.5.5 won't boot

mdent23

mdent23

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Hello all,

This SE/30 I've been been working seems to just present one hurdle after another.

Thanks to BadGoldEagle I was able to patch my install of 7.0.1 with System 7 Tune-Up 1.1.1.

Following this, I put all the install images from 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 onto my primary storage device (I'm using a SCSI > CF solution from artmix).

Basically I ran both installers locally, foregoing the use of floppies.

In both cases, installations completed without incident. Here's the dilemma: after installing 7.5.3 and choosing to restart, the system hangs at the "Welcome to Macintosh" screen.

No problem, I thought. I have a custom bootable ROM chip that I booted from. Accessing the "Macintosh HD" partition wasn't an issue; I ran Disk First Aid off a floppy just to be safe (no issues). I went into the 7.5.5 install folder and it completed the installation, again without issue. I restarted and tried to boot from my boot partition... still stuck on "Welcome to Macintosh."

I can tell you two things:

1) Disk First Aid is still not reporting any issues with my boot disk.

2) I have tried starting in 24-bit and 32-bit mode (to no avail) and I have 32 MB of RAM installed which should be plenty.

3) Attempting to start with extensions disabled presents the same issue.

Am I missing something here? A crucial step I overlooked? My custom ROM chip has built-in 32-bit addressing so there's no need for MODE32. Could this be the issue? Looking for any insights you may have.

//mdent23

 
Try moving the system folder out (on another partition for example or move it to another folder called "test"). Boot from anything else. (Did you keep the old system folder from 7.1?)

Put the system folder back where it belongs.

This usally blesses the system folder. Sometimes it helps. Not always unfortunately...

 
BadGoldEagle said:
Try moving the system folder out (on another partition for example or move it to another folder called "test"). Boot from anything else. (Did you keep the old system folder from 7.1?)

Put the system folder back where it belongs.

This usally blesses the system folder. Sometimes it helps. Not always unfortunately...
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It WORKED! Well, kind of. Moving the system folder back and forth allowed me to boot to a desktop again, however about this Macintosh revealed it is still running 7.0.1, so neither install worked.

Should I move the installers for 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 to a separate partition before installing? Wondering why this Is an issue if both installers say they've completed successfully when installing from the same partition that the boot disk is on...

//mdent23

 
Since you're using a CF card, you probably have a couple of gigs free. Create a new partition and backup the 7.0.1 HD. It will become useful if the next install fails completely...

So 7.1 didn't work either. That's odd. Very odd. I wonder if Tune-Up really worked...

Do you have a file called "System 7 tuner" in the extension folder?

If not you'll have to re-install Tune-up.

You should try another 7.5.3 installer, just in case yours is corrupted. 

I have installed 7.0.1 on my Mac Classic Mini vMac (a custom version with the Classic I ROM), then I tuned it up, then applied 7.1 on top of it.

I made a 7.5.3 install disk, it is a 50mb disk image to use with disk Copy 6. I don't know how you can get this file on your SE/30, but you probably know. If you want you can burn a CD, here is the link to the CD image.

Then 7.5.5.

It worked all right on a Mac Classic. You should try these installers.

PS: I chose the 7.5.3 CD version because the other version needs 19 floppies! But if you want to make 19 floppies, you will find them in the .cdr file (link to CD image, mountable in OSX)

 
Thank you; the CF is easy to access and I have a USB reader for my TiBook; I will load the installers you provided that way.

Just to clarify, should I store the installers on a partition separate from my boot partition? Or does this even matter?

I will also make sure to back up my 7.0.1 files as suggested.

//mdent23

 
BadGoldEagle said:
...So 7.1 didn't work either. That's odd. Very odd. I wonder if Tune-Up really worked...

Do you have a file called "System 7 tuner" in the extension folder?

If not you'll have to re-install Tune-up...
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P.S. Moving the system folder back and forth curiously reversed my install of Tune-Up, however I still had the image in Macintosh HD so I reinstalled, "About this Macintosh..." showed a bullet after 7.0.1 so I was sure it was successful.

But yes, I did have to reinstall it.

 
I didn't even know it was possible to install/upgrade system software with the installers running from the same boot partition as the partition you're installing to. I would definitely put the installers on another partition, boot from that partition, and then install to the (different) partition you want to use as your regular boot disk.

 
Thank you, tanaquil. I'll try moving the installers to my "FreeSpace" partition to install onto the "Macintosh HD" (boot) partition. If this still doesn't work, I will use BadGoldEagle's provided links to the installers.

Will keep you both posted with results.

//mdent23

 
BadGoldEagle said:
Since you're using a CF card, you probably have a couple of gigs free. Create a new partition and backup the 7.0.1 HD. It will become useful if the next install fails completely...

So 7.1 didn't work either. That's odd. Very odd. I wonder if Tune-Up really worked...

Do you have a file called "System 7 tuner" in the extension folder?

If not you'll have to re-install Tune-up.

You should try another 7.5.3 installer, just in case yours is corrupted. 

I have installed 7.0.1 on my Mac Classic Mini vMac (a custom version with the Classic I ROM), then I tuned it up, then applied 7.1 on top of it.

I made a 7.5.3 install disk, it is a 50mb disk image to use with disk Copy 6. I don't know how you can get this file on your SE/30, but you probably know. If you want you can burn a CD, here is the link to the CD image.

Then 7.5.5.

It worked all right on a Mac Classic. You should try these installers.

PS: I chose the 7.5.3 CD version because the other version needs 19 floppies! But if you want to make 19 floppies, you will find them in the .cdr file (link to CD image, mountable in OSX)
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UPDATE:

So, I'm still scratching my head...

I decided to start from scratch this past weekend.

Process:

I backed up some apps and documents to my "FreeSpace" partition, erased "Macintosh HD" and installed 6.0.8 from floppy.

[From here is where I started using the installers you provided, BadGoldEagle.]

From there, I updated to 7.0.1 (also from floppy), then patched using System 7 Tune-Up 1.1.1 (which I verified by checking About this Macintosh... after restarting, the telltale bullet after the version number was there so I knew it worked)

I also was able to update to 7.1 using the installer provided, however this is as far as I could get.

I loaded the installer file and the ".part" disk image files onto my FreeSpace partition to install 7.5.3 to Macintosh HD. The installer reported success, yet after restarting the SE/30 hangs on Welcome to Macintosh.

I decided to boot off the ROM (I have a Mac ROM-inator II which allows this, more after this section) and install 7.5.5 to Macintosh HD via floppy (I created the 3 updater disks).

Again, the installer reported success, yet when restarting the system hangs on Welcome to Macintosh again!

The only thing I can think of is that the software doesn't like my custom ROM chip. Which leads me to...

Mac ROM-inator II (http://bit.ly/ROMinator) :

I recently purchased this device which allowed me to successfully format my CF card initially to use as solid state storage.

The ROM is bootable and runs System 7.1; it also has built-in 32-bit addressing, which means I do not have to install MODE32 to use up to 128 MB of RAM (I currently have 32 MB installed).

Could my SE/30 be having an issue with this ROM chip? Should I attempt booting into 7.5.3/7.5.5 with the stock SE/30 ROM installed and MODE32 in the system folder?

Conclusion:

I'm stumped in terms of what else this could be...

 
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Have you tried hitting Command + Shift + K before hitting the Install button in 7.5? (you need to hold and click)

This performs a so called "clean install", it puts everything old in a separate folder, so you'll have to put them back where they belong afterwards. It is a slightly more tedious process, but hey it just might work   :)

http://www.essentialmac.com/fix/cleaninstall.html#7.5

If that doesn't work either, then why don't you install 7.5 directly (without upgrading from 6.0.8.) and work your way to 7.5.5 through 7.5.3?

7.5 was distributed on 800k disks as well as 1.44mb ones. 

It will take forever to boot 7.5 from a floppy disk (took a full minute in mini vMac @All-Out speed!)

Edit: changed link, images were corrupted

 
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Look for a file in your System folder (or extensions folder maybe) named "32-Bit System Enabler" or similar. If it's there, remove it. It caused similar problems for my SE/30 with the IIsi ROM.

 
bigmessowires said:
Look for a file in your System folder (or extensions folder maybe) named "32-Bit System Enabler" or similar. If it's there, remove it. It caused similar problems for my SE/30 with the IIsi ROM.
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Ah, this might be it!! Luckily I backed up the System folder after installing 7.5.5 (even though it wouldn't boot); I'll look for this file, delete it, and move the whole enchilada back to my boot partition. Fingers crossed...

Will let you both know how this turns out.

 
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It's a IIsi ROM, with a number of changes to support the boot menu and ROM disk. If you have the SIMM programmer, you can reprogram it with a totally stock IIsi ROM image if you'd like. I wouldn't expect that to make a difference here, though.

 
bigmessowires said:
It's a IIsi ROM, with a number of changes to support the boot menu and ROM disk. If you have the SIMM programmer, you can reprogram it with a totally stock IIsi ROM image if you'd like. I wouldn't expect that to make a difference here, though.
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Great, I've read the webpage and downloaded the pertinent files. Rolling up my sleeves to work with ResEdit, huh? I'll let you know how it goes...

:) mdent23

 
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