Savvio SCA drives in a 6500?

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

What else is new? ;D The Savvio works a treat in the 6360/6400, but it's NOT all in the termination.

I swapped in the 6500 board and fired it up, but it hung at the appearance of the cursor. I let it sit like that for a while and then cut power to the Savvio in the external box. It immediately booted the rest of the way no problem at all.

I powered up the external drive and it failed to mount, but I had normal computer function otherwise. SCSI Probe didn't see the Savvio at all this time, but TatteTech was able to tell me about it again. When I started up Drive Setup it poleaxed the system as soon as it began to look for available drives.

All indications are that Apple borked something in the SCSI implementation on the way to 50MHz bus goodness for the series. Go figure?

 

[techknight]

Exactly. thats the same issue that I am running into. 

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

It's not a real computer, it's a Performa! :

 

[techknight]

Oh.. it gets better.... 

I decided to put a USB card in it, it came in today. Soon as I did that, now the IDE hard drive is acting goofy. it was freezing at the happy mac. 

Started up from CD, and realized the partitions were all corrupt, failing to mount with a -127 error of some sorts. Seemed the partition volume names were all upper/lower case every other character. Odd... 

Drive setup failed the initialization. So i pulled and reinserted the motherboard, and tried another initialization. No issues yet...

Ugh, I really hate this thing. HATE it.. 

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

. . . and it's unspeakably ugly too! ;D

 

[TheWhiteFalcon]

It doesn't like modification. It hates change.

 

[techknight]

Naa, looks dont bother me. 

 

[techknight]

It doesn't like modification. It hates change.

Sounds like me! LOL

 

[TheWhiteFalcon]

I like the design; its visually appealing, at least in pictures.

 

[uniserver]

my 6400 with a 250mhz 6500 mb in it now,    works great. its got 2 IDE hard drives in it... a 4gb and a 6gb.

It has a Firewire card and USB card too.    Worked just as good with the 180mhz 6400 board.

its funny when jt makes fun of the way they look, but i think they look pretty good, and the SUBwoofer in mine

sounds good, its real tight and hits pretty hard.

 

[techknight]

How do I get USB working? I have Mac OS 8.6 installed and its not seeing my USB sticks. 

I downloaded the USB mass storage support 1.3.5 and it says not for your computer error. 

Edit: Nevermind, i got it. had to install the D-USB card support first, then manually install the mass storage driver using the restore IMG process... 

Seeing my 4GB USB microdrive

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

I've got a couple of Tempo Trios for my Performas, haven't really tried them yet though. They're probably from the time Sonnet made the cache slot Crescendos for these systems. From the PowerMasc x600 series on, the Mac was starved for slots until the DA finally got an extra one. ATA somethingorother, USB & FW all on one card with a good Video Card in the other slot ought to work nicely.

I run the 6360 at maxres in grayscale so the 8bit output looks gooood! ;D

edit: OMG, you're running it without Sonnetization? 9 runs fine on mine!

.

 

[Macdrone]

Ok well first I am going to ask have you recapped the power supply and boards? We are talking twenty years old here. They were "performas" the affordable for everyone line.

Bad caps=ghost in the machine

 

[techknight]

edit: OMG, you're running it without Sonnetization? 9 runs fine on mine!

.

Who can afford that? I dont have one and they are impossible to find...

 

[techknight]

Ok well first I am going to ask have you recapped the power supply and boards? We are talking twenty years old here. They were "performas" the affordable for everyone line.

Bad caps=ghost in the machine

True.. but.. mine is a power Macintosh. Not a performa. I am Not sure what the difference is but that's what it says on the tag.

and I've already been through the capacitors one step ahead of you.

 

[TheWhiteFalcon]

Difference is that Apple killed the Performa brand and rebadged it as a Power Mac.

 

[markyb86]

I have the same or similar experience with a 72gb savvio and terminated adapter, although it's inside of a B&W G3 450. I'm using a PCI SCSI adapter which the brand name is lost on me at the moment, but neither OS 8.6 or 9.2.2 are able to mount the drive. (or Panther for that matter).

What happens for mine, is that the system boots just fine, but does not mount the drive. When I open up the included SCSI probe utility, system freezes with the spinning cursor. I can ctrl+apple+esc to close the program, and go back to whatever I was doing, but that happens with, startup disk chooser, Disk Utility, etc. Anything that polls the bus will freeze.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Interesting, I never tried using them on the internal bus of my G3, I was doing file transfers from an ATA card to an UltraSCSI card to recover/back up over size partitions the G3 chewed up.

IIRC, Apple was rolling the SCSI controller into the I/O ASICs at the time. If we hit the DevNotes, we can probably trace the beginning of these problems to development of a specific ASIC. Apple "fixed" the problem by dropping SCSI from the B&W G3.

In that time frame, nobody was running expensive server drives off onboard SCSI. It would have been a huge waste of money.

@ markyB86: PowerMac was there from the beginning for main line offerings, but I can't think of a Performa that transitioned to PowerMac offhand, the other way around was the norm. The history of the Performa would be an interesting article to find somewhere or compile, especially the tweaking of numbered bundles for different retailers.

Performa was their name for retail channel computer/software bundles dating from the 680X0 LC-Quadra era and into the PowerPC era. I don't know just how many different numbers/names Apple screened onto the bezels of the 62xx and 52XX Road Apple PPCs, but there were a lot and were based on only the software bundles for different retailers.

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[Trash80toHP_Mini]

The difference appears to be one silly MegaHertz, a bus multiplier bump to match the 25% bump from 40MHz to 50MHz system board?

6500:

The O’Hare IC is connected to the

PCI bus and uses the 33 MHz PCI bus clock.

The O’Hare IC includes circuitry equivalent to the IDE, SCC, SCSI, sound, SWIM3 . . .

6400:

O’Hare IC is connected to the PCI bus and uses the 32 MHz PCI bus clock.

Beige G3s use the Heathrow ASIC for SCSI.

Dunno, it's a mystery. :

 

[Macdrone]

I have a SCSI lvd card in a powermac G4 I think it boots and runs fine. I'll try and dig it out and get specifics.