Quicksilver '02 with click of death?

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

I guess I should have left dirty enough, but working, alone. :-/

I was moving the IDE card and all the HDDs from my comatose 466 DA over to the Quicksilver 2002 and took the time to blow all the dust out of a fairly dirty PSU and moderately dusty MoBo/Case and now this one is showing signs of either life or death . . .

. . . three or four click-clicks and then then shutdown . . .

edit:

I switched the RAM back, I'd traded one pair of sticks for the three in the DA, and I'm getting "better" results . . .

. . . I also pulled the new USB card out, I'd forgotten that when I pulled the extra VidCard and the IDE Card from the DA . . . it may have been incorrectly seated, dunno . . .

PSU stays on now, but I'm getting three loud long beeps and then the Power Button send a Morse Code signal or DASH-DOT-DOT-DOT, no Video at all.

edit 2:

I looked at the MoBo, re-seated the RAM and noticed I had banks two and three filled . . . OOPSIE! Gots video, but flashing question mark icon.

Hooked the original drive back up and it boots again!

I'll leave this topic up:

Moral of story:

Change one thing, then test, repeat until done changing things.

Question:

QS'02 config is sans ZIP Drive, can I run the last remaining HDD out of the DA off that connector in the Zip bay? :?:

If not, I need to fab a sideways (sort of: front to back) bracket for all four drives running off the PCI Card.

if so, I'll have an extra station for another HDD by fabbing that bracket! }

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Well, I've got USB going fine on the new card, the system boots fine with just the IDE Controller Card installed, gotta try the three drives previously installed to that later on tonight.

I did hook up the top HDD in the double bracket I snagged out of the DA . The click of death has been isolated to the first Western Digital HDD to ever give me a problem.

So it goes . . . :-/

To be continued . . .

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had it up and running with the original HDD only and then one in the top position of the stack from the DA.

This drive has two partitions, one for X & the other for 9.something-or-other. Then I hooked up the remaining two HDDs to the PCI Controller Card, one per channel. One mounted, but the other was listed as unmounted in the Profiler, the original drive in the DA, of course!. DiskWarrior didn't see it, so that was a non-starter. I'd replaced the two 512MB sticks with three of the same from the DA again, but when I went to restart to see if the unmounted drive would do so, it shut down and now powers on only briefly before powering down right after the startup chime.

Got cocky and changed three things at once . . . :I

Back to basics again in the AM.

One step and then test, another ste . . . :

< pushes button on KVM to try one more time before . . . 8-o >

< facepalm >

It's still back to basics in the AM, but it booted just fine a bit ago. argh! :

 

[theos911]

Are you sure the drives are jumpered properly? Having two set to master can mess up the controller.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

HRMMM??????? The only drive ut of the DA set to master is the one that's not mounting. I'll switch that to slave mode and see if it mounts.

I was taking it for granted that each channel on the IDE controller card would support a master and slave . . . :I

. . . do you need to have a pair of drives on the same channel set to m/s or all the drives in the box set to slave except on in the pair on the MoBo's controller?

Step one will be to swap out and test the DA's master with a different cable . . .

THX! :approve:

 

[theos911]

In a nutshell:

The controller will have x channels. The channels are noted by the number of connectors. 2 connectors means two channels and so forth. Each channel can use a total of 2 devices.

From memory (will check my dead QS when I get home) the QS has two channels. One is faster and intended for HDDs, the other is for the Optical Drive and Zip.

If you are using two devices (aka two HDD on one channel or the cd and zip together, etc), they either must both be set to cable select or one on master and the other on slave. For a single drive, it must be set to master or cable select. (Though, I've had some that would boot even with a single drive set as slave, so YMMV.)

 

[BGoins12]

Being that's Ultra ATA, both should be set to cable select. Black plug is Master and gray is the slave. I had a single Seagate drive on my MDD set as Master, and it wouldn't recognize it I put it on cable select and it works fine.

I'm suspecting a weak power supply, though.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

I'll give that a shot for addressing the unmounted drive, but I may have isolated the intermittent boot problem this morning.

It boots fro a cold start, but shuts down on a re-boot or a warm boot when the 3 512M PC 100 sticks from the DA are in place, but didn'thave a problem with the pair of slower 512MB sticks that were originally installed in the QS'02 before the HDD move from the DA.

I tested 5 successful warm boots and a re-boot with the 1 GB pair.

I need to do further testing, but my working theory is that one of the faster sticks from the DA passes the mem test on a cold boot, but flakes out after it gets to operating temperature causing the system to shut down almost immediately after a warm boot upon detection a a nasty mem test failure.

Dunno though, thanks guys, keep those suggestions rolling in, comrades! :approve:

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Very interesting development, I booted from the X.x partition on one of the Drives from the DA and G430, the HDD that doesn't mount under 9.2.2, mounts up just fine under X. The X install on the DA from the first bugfixed-in-the-box release of X is w-a-y-f-l-a--k-e-y on the QS'02, though.

I've copied all the contents of the 9.1 install/WD30 to Quicksilver02 and did a couple backups of my Hacks folder backups in preparation for a fresh format/install of the X/9 versions on the original CDs that came along with the Quicksilver in its original box.

We'll see how it goes! :approve:

Gotta get that new USB 2.0 Card tested running under 9.2.2 in classic mode under X. [] ]'>

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

All seems ready for my second serious trial run with OS-X, it's strange that I'm installing it to run 9.2.2 in classic mode for X assisted USB 2.0 support . . . hopefully!

I haven't really done much on the Dual 1GHz QS'02 under 9.2.2, so I won't notice any performance hit due to running in classic mode. It should be a tad snappier than my ever faithful, now lamented Graphite Gift, the comatose G-4 466DA.

I got some strange results testing under the OS-X Hardware Test CD. I was right about the 512MB sticks from the DOA DA causing the shutdown almost immediately after a restart or hot boot, turns out that two of the three of them did that, but they passed the memory test without a problem. One of the QS'02's sticks failed the test, but never gave me a problem with booting. Now I've got 1GB of RAM, one stick from each box and a pile of three questionable sticks . . .

. . . go figure! )

Soon to do the re-install of the original OS-X/9.2.2 mix on the CDs that shipped with the Quicksilver 2002 . . .

. . . we'll see how that one goes, this has been one strange ride just getting to this point! :

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Well, it's up and running 10.1.2 . . . what the heck is the name of this rev of X?

G430 is alive and well under 10.1.2, I wonder if it will show up in Classic Mode?

I've got GraphicConverter 4 dot whatever up and running, but I can't find the 9.2.2 CD that came with the set . . . that's just about on par for this project. :-/

I've got an iPhoto CD with the set, how good is it for cataloging pics, I've never used such a utility before. Is it time to give up manually collating the digipics?

 

[BGoins12]

10.1 is Puma.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Yeah, thx, I just found that out on WiKiPedia . . . the 10.1.5 updater is downloading ATM.

Is there a later version of X available from Apple as a free download?

 

[Bunsen]

No.

 

[bibilit]

Never used Puma, but as far as i know is not the better choice... will go for Panther at least.

 

[theos911]

Jaguar (10.2) was when they finally got the bugs worked out. IMO, the golden range of X is from 10.2-10.4, before that is buggy (and too old) and after becomes rather bloated and takes the UI in a different direction.

 

[bibilit]

I managed to get Panther (10.3) working on my Beige (with the help of Xpostfacto) and most of my capable fleet as well (only the Wallstreet has Jaguar (10.2) ...because i was lazy)

My G4's are using Panther or Tiger and i only have a couple of Yikes! and Sawtooth to play with.

 

[theos911]

My B&W 500 Triboots 9, Jaguar, and Tiger.

The PDQ 300 used to run Tiger, but the swapping thrashed the CF card until it corrupted the install. After that I went back to Jaguar, which eventually developed a KPing issue inciting me to put MintPPC back on it and be done with it.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

What's the most reliable version of X (real life rev # AND cutesy kitty cat nonsense 'nick, please) for running 9.2.x in Classic Mode?

It's curious that 9.1.1(?) wouldn't mount my G430 HDD under any (hopefully all possible) settings tried, but OS-X has no problem with mounting the drive at all. :?:

How much is an old boxed set of the optimal OS-X-for-OS-9-Combo going for these days? I'm ready to buy that one, soup to nuts! :approve:

I've got a nice Dual Head AGP Card that has no OS-9 support at all, I found out post purchase, to test in Classic Mode under X along with the USB 2.0 Card!