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PowerBook 3400 Battery in 5300

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I had a search around but couldn't find anything definitive.. does anyone know if a 3400 Lithium Ion battery will work in a PowerBook 5300? I happen to have 2 working 3400 batteries which both work in my 3400, but neither are recognised by my 5300. Now the 5300 did have a leaky battery in it, but the corrosion wasn't that bad and I've cleaned up the contacts.. but when I put the 3400 batteries in it just doesn't recognise them.. and I'm not sure if that's because the power board in the 5300 is knackered, or if it's just the battery technology was incompatible with the 5300.
 
I have read some old forum posts from the 2000s where multiple people state they have Lithium batteries working in their 5300. Someone said they must be running the original 7.5.2 firmware, but my 5300 won't run off a 3400c battery even if I'm running that version. Another thing I've heard is that only very early production 5300s will run off the Lithium batteries, but none of this is confirmed.

On my 5300ce, the 3400c battery can provide power because it will stay alive in sleep mode with it installed. It seems to be unable to communicate with the BMS though, which is required for the laptop to actually run off the battery.
 
Interesting. I still have yet to fix my 3400c but I just figured the battery was completely shot because I also tried running the original firmware but the 5300c just acted as if it wasn't there.
 
It could be shot, you won’t know until you charge it with a 3400 or a G3 Kanga. Whatever the process is to get one working on a 5300, if such a thing exists, I don’t know right now.
 
As I understand it, you should be able to run a 5300 off a 3400 battery, but it won't charge it.

Back in the day, Sony's battery division built the new high-capacity LiIon cells for the 5300, but production problems (likely stray metal shavings causing internal shorts, a problem that would recur in the early '00s with the same result: fires and a massive recall) meant they overheated and caught fire. The first-run 5300s were provided with a System extension-based hotfix on a floppy disk. Basically this extension checked at boot and updated the PMU's firmware to prevent it from charging a LiIon battery, if it ever was used (most were recalled and never made it to customers). This fix was later built into System 7 so you didn't need to use the installer anymore, but this also meant any subsequent System updates prevented use of LiIon batteries in a 5300, even when they were safe.
I think the PMU firmware update for the earliest 5300s was kept in the chip's RAM; it wasn't permanent, so the update had to check and update it on every boot. You may be able to get a very early 5300, install the very earliest version of System software without the hotfix, let it sit unpowered for a while (so the PMU drops its updated program), and try it with a 3400 battery. It may charge it. Later 5300s may have had the updated PMU firmware hard-coded into the chip so it may never work with a LiIon.
 
Very interesting info! My 190cs will run off of a 3400 battery (presumably won't charge one but I haven't checked). My 5300ce on the other hand does not run off of one whatsoever. Both are "AA" units that went through Apple's service program. Both run fine off the original NiMH batteries so it's not a connection issue with the battery terminals or whatnot.
 
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