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Portrait monitor x2
- Thread starter elbaroni
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Niiiiice! :approve:
…which I don't. Damn, the things I've thrown out over the years...
I seem to recall that the two-page display used a 13W3 with all three big pins, whereas the portrait display had some sub-set of the pins in it. Most of the eBay cables seem to have all pins. Anyone know if that's a problem?
I also see here
that Sun and Apple cables might not be compatible. How very old school Apple.
I seem to recall that the two-page display used a 13W3 with all three big pins, whereas the portrait display had some sub-set of the pins in it. Most of the eBay cables seem to have all pins. Anyone know if that's a problem?
I also see here
that Sun and Apple cables might not be compatible. How very old school Apple.
Hmm. From http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/macmons.txt
“
Here's my hand-traced connections for two of Apple's 13W3 cables. - Herb Johnson
590-0621-A - 13W3 with ONE coax connector, to DB-15 weight 11 ounces, 6 foot long thinner cable than 0615
590-0615-A - 1313 with THREE coax connectors, to DB-15 weight 14 ounces, 6 foot long thicker cable than 0621
Connector scheme of cable (male pins)
DB15: top row 1 to 8 left/right, bottom 9/15
13W3: A3, A2 on left, A1 on right
top row 1-5 left/right, bottom 6-10
590-0621-A (1 coax)
DB15 13W3
3 1
4 7
7 8
9 A1
10 3
11 2 6 9
12 4
13 A1 shield
14 5
15 10
590-0615-A (3 coax)
DB15 13W3
1 A3 shield
2 A3
3 1
4 7
5 A2
6 A2 shield
7 8
9 A1
10 3
11 2 6 9
12 4
13 A1 shield
14 5
15 10
“
Eep.
“
Here's my hand-traced connections for two of Apple's 13W3 cables. - Herb Johnson
590-0621-A - 13W3 with ONE coax connector, to DB-15 weight 11 ounces, 6 foot long thinner cable than 0615
590-0615-A - 1313 with THREE coax connectors, to DB-15 weight 14 ounces, 6 foot long thicker cable than 0621
Connector scheme of cable (male pins)
DB15: top row 1 to 8 left/right, bottom 9/15
13W3: A3, A2 on left, A1 on right
top row 1-5 left/right, bottom 6-10
590-0621-A (1 coax)
DB15 13W3
3 1
4 7
7 8
9 A1
10 3
11 2 6 9
12 4
13 A1 shield
14 5
15 10
590-0615-A (3 coax)
DB15 13W3
1 A3 shield
2 A3
3 1
4 7
5 A2
6 A2 shield
7 8
9 A1
10 3
11 2 6 9
12 4
13 A1 shield
14 5
15 10
“
Eep.
Wikipedia's pretty good, but no Apple: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB13W3
Link there leads to pinouts.ru, but again no Apple: http://connector.pinouts.ru/13_pin_13W3_female/
There was a thread about this not all that long ago. Don't remember where, ought to be in peripherals, but I doubt it. So much good info winds up buried in a thread in some model specific forum or other instead of where it belongs might be generally useful. :-/
edit: BOOM! p.30 Ports_Pinouts.pdf Notice the Portrait model version bit. My portrait must be the later version. I bought a dual purpose cable that didn't work. It gave me scrunched TPD resolution on my FPD Portrait. Too tired to think much about it ATM.
You say g'day and I say g'nite! :sadmac: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Link there leads to pinouts.ru, but again no Apple: http://connector.pinouts.ru/13_pin_13W3_female/
There was a thread about this not all that long ago. Don't remember where, ought to be in peripherals, but I doubt it. So much good info winds up buried in a thread in some model specific forum or other instead of where it belongs might be generally useful. :-/
edit: BOOM! p.30 Ports_Pinouts.pdf Notice the Portrait model version bit. My portrait must be the later version. I bought a dual purpose cable that didn't work. It gave me scrunched TPD resolution on my FPD Portrait. Too tired to think much about it ATM.
You say g'day and I say g'nite! :sadmac: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Reread that PDF now that I'm awake. Looks like it referred to the Portrait interface card versions, not to the Portrait itself. There's still the chance of getting a cable that does the Two-Page Portrait scrunch, but that can be fixed with a sense line mod. Went through that with a Griffen engineer's help back in the day. Curious that their cable didn't work straight out of the bag as advertised. They made fabulous, bullet proof products in the day.
In any event, you can get any of the above 13w3 cable and chop it into two sections for making up your own Macintosh Portrait Display cables.
In any event, you can get any of the above 13w3 cable and chop it into two sections for making up your own Macintosh Portrait Display cables.
Yikes, now I have to look at my NuBus cards as well. This is complicated!
Luckily I found a guy in Australia selling one of the 13w3 single coax to DB-15 cables which should let me test the screens with a Quadra 700 — if they both work I can think about getting one up and running with my older machines (or two with one Quadra? Or maybe it's time to get the IIfx up and running. Or the IIcx they're designed for! So many options...). Hopefully it won't come to building my own cables, for I will certainly mess that up.
Thanks for your help Night Stalker. Let y'all know how I go.
Luckily I found a guy in Australia selling one of the 13w3 single coax to DB-15 cables which should let me test the screens with a Quadra 700 — if they both work I can think about getting one up and running with my older machines (or two with one Quadra? Or maybe it's time to get the IIfx up and running. Or the IIcx they're designed for! So many options...). Hopefully it won't come to building my own cables, for I will certainly mess that up.
Thanks for your help Night Stalker. Let y'all know how I go.
Now you can typeset a full spread! So those are both running off the internal video?
No, one’s off the internal and one’s off a nubus video card. I’m going to install a second nubus card and run a three-headed monster, I think. Showed my 2.5yo daughter Prince of Persia in greyscale and she loved it. Then I showed her in colour and stepped into one of the choppers. Oops.
I got the original Dark Castle working on my PB170 under system 6. I think it's multifinder that gets it more than anything, so the Quadra won't be any good. Once I get my Iici back up and running I'll try it out.
That said, it didn't fill the screen on the 170 - just a window. The labyrinth would be rad.
That said, it didn't fill the screen on the 170 - just a window. The labyrinth would be rad.
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Where did you get one for so cheap? I only see them for very high asking prices when I look on eBay.
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