OpenTransport manual install or better source?

[jessenator]

So I feel like an idiot, but could someone either point me to a better install source of OpenTransport for my 040 IIsi or tell me where a couple of files go? The one I downloaded from MacintoshGarden doesn't have disk images, just folders, and as a result no matter how I do it the installer doesn't recognize any of the disks I put the respective files into (and always calls for a disk to be inserted). I know it only needs to first two disks' worth of content, and I know where most of it goes, but I'm a bit hazy on where in the system folder the remaining items need to go.

Also, side questions:
1) is 7.5.5 absolutely necessary for OT to work? (currently on 7.5.3)

2) does anybody have a source for the 7.5.5 update that isn't in .dsk but rather .img images? Again, MacintoshGarden only has them in .dsk, and no version of my disk utilities, etc. will mount or write them (can't even see them in the open-dialog).

I'm want to test my Asante MacCon card completely.

Thanks

sorry for the moire

 

[nglevin]

Have a look at Tyler Sable's old site, some of the old links to Apple still work. The System 7.5.5 update and OpenTransport 1.1.2 for System 7.1+ are still there; https://www.fenestrated.net/mac/755/

Probably not a bad idea to mirror them elsewhere, for practical reasons.

 

[Paralel]

I run OT 1.3 on 7.1.2-68k.

You can get the direct OT 1.3 installed from Mac Garden:

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/open-transport-13-gold-master

 

[jessenator]

I run OT 1.3 on 7.1.2-68k.

You can get the direct OT 1.3 installed from Mac Garden:

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/open-transport-13-gold-master

That's the one I downloaded previously and won't let me install without "disks" :/  I'll try the links  nglevin posted.

Good to know it doesn't require 7.5.5 though.

Thanks

 

[Paralel]

I don't know what to tell you, I just tested it and it installed without asking me for disks. I checked the installation was successful using TattleTech, and it was.

You are expanding the SIT onto the root of the main HDD, and not putting the folders on the desktop, right? The installer will fail if you try to run it with the folders on the desktop and not in the root of the HDD because the desktop space works different than a standard drive or folder.

 

[Paralel]

Okay, I was finally able to re-create the error you are running into. What you need to do is make sure the installers are in the same exact directory as the install directories, the ones that say install 1, install 2, etc... if you separate the install directories from the installer, it will error out and ask for disks.

Also, I was wrong about the desktop install, you can do it from the desktop, as long as the install directories (install 1, Install 2) are on the desktop along with the installers.

Also, you can't really just move the files from the install directories into their target directories, the installer makes modifications to system files, updates your AppleTalk driver (if the AppleTalk driver is mismatched to the OT version, OT will fail) etc... So, the installer must be run, there is no getting around that.

 

[jessenator]

I got it installed and now I can't boot anymore. Followed the instructions for patching the System file for 7.5.5 and now the "welcome" box just flashes on boot... Ugh

Edit: I went ahead and followed that ideal 7.5.5 set of instructions on that link.

 

[Paralel]

That guide covered way too much other stuff that isn't needed for a simple OT install.

 

[jessenator]

Yes. But I decided to try to do the "ultimate" or whatever he called it.

Maybe I'll just go back to ot and system 7.0.1

 

[nglevin]

I'd followed that guide more than ten years ago, but I wasn't trying to highlight the guide.

You had said you had trouble with an update for 7.5.5 and OpenTransport, and that site has links to both directly from Apple's servers, rather than a third party site with repackaged binaries. If the repackaged binaries were the problem.

That aside, as I said before, OpenTransport requires System 7.1. I don't think it will work on System 7.0.1.

 

[jessenator]

Sorry if sounds like I'm throwing blame around. I got distracted. I wanted 7.5.5 to work, and trying a decent browser hooked up to my LAN requires 7.5.x correct?

I used to think I knew classic macs, but I think I'm just kidding myself.

 

[nglevin]

It's tricky to get up and running, no doubt.

Knowing that trick about holding down shift to boot without extensions helps out a bunch with getting out of some System 7 jams. There are some updates that change the System file and other bits, though, so it's not that easy there.

Probably the best thing to try at this point would be a clean slate, at least as far as the System Folder is concerned. Back up the System folder to another location, consider deleting the original if there's nothing there that's hard to recover, reinstall 7.5.3, update to 7.5.5 after that, then try OT 1.1.2. That should be a good start.

 

[jessenator]

Probably the best thing to try at this point would be a clean slate, at least as far as the System Folder is concerned. Back up the System folder to another location, consider deleting the original if there's nothing there that's hard to recover, reinstall 7.5.3, update to 7.5.5 after that, then try OT 1.1.2. That should be a good start.

So for clarity's sake: on a IIsi (original on-board ROM) with my Turbo 040 installed, is this necessary to install 7.5.3 and then upgrade to 7.5.5 using this workaround? https://web.archive.org/web/20160828030259/http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/os8_se30.html (Gamba's earthlink site is not live, so I used the wayback machine link) --Minus the Mode32 uninstall (I never installed it)

Since my SCSI2SD already has everything on it, I'm going to skip the funky modifying the disk tools disk, and just start up from the IIsi's Disk Tools disk (7.0.1), start the fresh install from the point in that tutorial.
 

 

[nglevin]

What do you need a workaround for?

A Mac IIsi should work fine with the stock System 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 update. I've never had to ResEdit my way through System 7.

 

[jessenator]

I get bombs at startup doing 7.5.3/5 with my turbo 040 installed without the system adjustment with resedit. Even disabling extensions at startup. The only way I've been able to get it bootable/stable is that hack.

Additionally, however, I can't even get it booting (once the system is hacked and working) once the MacCon is installed physically, OT is installed and the driver is installed.

A) the driver itself causes one unique error at boot

b) i can boot with extensions disabled at this point, and disabling the driver alone just gives me a different error at boot

c) once I remove the MacCon from the PDS pass through on the DayStar adapter, no bomb, perfect startup, stable.

So my conclusion is that the MacCon isn't compatible in this configuration :/ It was installed and working (I think) in the 7.1 system on the original HDD. Is there a way to connect to my home router and test it on system 7.1? I'll be honest, I'm merely testing it before I offer it first to the trading post, then to eBay.

 

[Cory5412]

I skimmed to see if I could find this link so initially I'm just putting this here:

The best source for the "original" OpenTransport installers, in my experience, is System7Today.

The relevant links are on the pages linked here, for 7.5 and 7.6 for 68k and PPC http://main.system7today.com/updates.html

 

[Cory5412]

I used to think I knew classic macs, but I think I'm just kidding myself.

I've literally been on this site for seventeen years, continuously, and I'm learning new things all the time.

So my conclusion is that the MacCon isn't compatible in this configuration

Maybe. I tend not to have machines with accelerators in them so that's definitely an area where I don't have an awful lot of experience. A lot of stuff becomes easier overall if you can be running 7.5.5 (or usually even more ideally, 7.6.1), but, like, version 4 web browsers might work back to 7.1, and I thikn most of them also work with both MacTCP and OpenTransport, but OT itself is much easier to use, once it's installed.

It would, of course, be a bummer and a pretty big gotcha if that Ethernet adapter didn't work with that accelerator, or the drivers caused a conflict with the accelerator under, say, 7.5 but not 7.1. Weird, because if I remember correctly 7.1 and 7.5 are fairly closely related, but a bummer, regardless.

 

[jessenator]

I wonder, too, as my particular MacCon has an FPU installed in the socket, if that could be conflicting, but again, under 7.1 no conflicts that I've seen.

Weird, because if I remember correctly 7.1 and 7.5 are fairly closely related, but a bummer, regardless. 

I don't recall either if OT was installed on that original drive with 7.1... I still have it, so I might put it back in and see what's going on there. It was a plotter/printing station in a former life for a Motorola employee, ending its production-driven life in 1996, so it most likely never saw the light of a modern internet, maybe just a lan at the office.

What I might try is a 7.6.1 or even an 8.0 install disk (read: contents copied to my scsi2sd) and if there are issues, I will just install the MacCon (no 040), slowly slog through 7.5.3 enough to test the card and find it a happy home.

 

[nglevin]

Of problems that I've had with peripherals, one is having up to date drivers (one for the Asante Mac Con is reported to work under System 7.5.5 over here), and the other is if the PSU has enough power to address all the peripherals in the case.

There was an aftermarket for SE/30 power supplies that happened to have stronger output than the stock PSU. I don't believe the IIsi had that, probably more because collectors desire the compact Mac form factor than for any technical benefits exclusive to the SE/30.

I had a problem with a late 1994, "high speed" Asante Nubus card in a Q700 with the Q700 PSU, which was fixed by replacing it with a IIvx/Q650/PM6100 PSU. That might be related.

I never had problems like that with a Radius Rocket that had most of the RAM slots filled. Just this one Asante card with a black Nubus connector.