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MacPlus Server?

Frankly, I can't believe once Jobs was gone that Apple didn't add a fan to the Plus to mitigate the heat related repair costs, but then I guess that might have been admitting the earlier models were actually flawed?
They did. They also added either dual floppy drives or an internal hard drive, along with a few other changes Jobs would have disagreed with (internal slot, for example.)

They called the resulting machine "Macintosh SE"

It didn't make sense to go through and redesign the Plus, since they knew they had this other machine in the works.

 
Frankly, I can't believe once Jobs was gone that Apple didn't add a fan to the Plus to mitigate the heat related repair costs, but then I guess that might have been admitting the earlier models were actually flawed?
They did. They also added either dual floppy drives or an internal hard drive, along with a few other changes Jobs would have disagreed with (internal slot, for example.)

They called the resulting machine "Macintosh SE"

It didn't make sense to go through and redesign the Plus, since they knew they had this other machine in the works.
There were a number of 3rd parties that offered internal fans for the Plus. They had wires that would clip onto the 12V feeds from the analog board and would mount to the metal frame.

 
Frankly, I can't believe...Apple didn't add a fan to the Plus
They did....

They called the resulting machine "Macintosh SE"

...

It didn't make sense to go through and redesign the Plus, since they knew they had this other machine in the works.
There were a number of 3rd parties that offered internal fans for the Plus. They had wires that would clip onto the 12V feeds from the analog board and would mount to the metal frame.
Everybody's a comedian. And if you're not trying to be funny, you're missing the point. First, we're not talking about a re-design, we're talking about adding a fan. As far as that goes the analogue board in the Mac Plus was updated at least twice between 1985 and 87. Second, the M0001 was a notorious overheater and found itself in the shop for repairs quite often. At a time when Apple needed their computers to be reliable adding a fan to the Plus would have done wonders for customer relations. Yes, many third party solutions were available, but how do you say to a customer, "I'm sorry your Mac overheated and died, perhaps you would like to buy a third party fan for it after we repair it?" Or better yet, "we're selling you an under engineered computer, so you might want to buy a fan for it to prevent repairs." That would sure upset me. Also, for many of those repairs, Apple had to eat the cost under warranty, something a cheap, easily added-on fan built-into the sales-price would have significantly lowered. Then, we have the fact that the Plus was sold for a full 3 years after the SE was introduced ... so adding a fan at that point only makes sense.

 
Everybody's a comedian. And if you're not trying to be funny, you're missing the point. First, we're not talking about a re-design, we're talking about adding a fan. .
I wasn't trying to be funny. I was just pointing out that the market recogized exacly what you are saying and offered internal fans for the Plus, 512k, and 128k. If there wasn't a need, why offer it?

The Radius FPD and 16 MHZ accelerator for the Plus included a fan. I put a fan in a Plus myself and found it to be too nosiy. There was an EXTERNAL fan that sat on top of a Plus and sucked air out (MacCool?).

I agree that Apple should have added a $2 fan to the Plus during it's lifetime.

 
Frankly, I can't believe...Apple didn't add a fan to the Plus
They did....

They called the resulting machine "Macintosh SE"

...

It didn't make sense to go through and redesign the Plus, since they knew they had this other machine in the works.
There were a number of 3rd parties that offered internal fans for the Plus. They had wires that would clip onto the 12V feeds from the analog board and would mount to the metal frame.
Everybody's a comedian. And if you're not trying to be funny, you're missing the point. First, we're not talking about a re-design, we're talking about adding a fan. As far as that goes the analogue board in the Mac Plus was updated at least twice between 1985 and 87. Second, the M0001 was a notorious overheater and found itself in the shop for repairs quite often. At a time when Apple needed their computers to be reliable adding a fan to the Plus would have done wonders for customer relations. Yes, many third party solutions were available, but how do you say to a customer, "I'm sorry your Mac overheated and died, perhaps you would like to buy a third party fan for it after we repair it?" Or better yet, "we're selling you an under engineered computer, so you might want to buy a fan for it to prevent repairs." That would sure upset me. Also, for many of those repairs, Apple had to eat the cost under warranty, something a cheap, easily added-on fan built-into the sales-price would have significantly lowered. Then, we have the fact that the Plus was sold for a full 3 years after the SE was introduced ... so adding a fan at that point only makes sense.
Ah, but the original compacts were designed under the influence of the first coming of Jobs. They were supposed to be a work of art first, a functional computer second.

 
Ah, but the original compacts were designed under the influence of the first coming of Jobs. They were supposed to be a work of art first, a functional computer second.
Yes, you're coming late to the party: Jobs was long gone by the time the Plus came to market and certainly by the time the SE & Platinum Plus with the revised analogue board hit the streets. There was no love lost at Apple to prevent them from sticking a fan in there and mitigating their repair costs.

Aoresteen, you are quite right and I have two of them, a Kensington System Saver and a much more elegant one that fits flush inside the handle area, but I forget the name, maybe MacCool. There were many others, but those are the two most common I have seen. Larry Pina's book has a whole chapter devoted to doing it yourself as I think Tom Lee's paper does ... And don't forget the Mac Chimney. ;-)

 
Ah, but the original compacts were designed under the influence of the first coming of Jobs. They were supposed to be a work of art first, a functional computer second.
Yes, you're coming late to the party: Jobs was long gone by the time the Plus came to market and certainly by the time the SE & Platinum Plus with the revised analogue board hit the streets. There was no love lost at Apple to prevent them from sticking a fan in there and mitigating their repair costs.

Aoresteen, you are quite right and I have two of them, a Kensington System Saver and a much more elegant one that fits flush inside the handle area, but I forget the name, maybe MacCool. There were many others, but those are the two most common I have seen. Larry Pina's book has a whole chapter devoted to doing it yourself as I think Tom Lee's paper does ... And don't forget the Mac Chimney. ;-)
No, sorry. The Plus is clearly modeled after the original 128k and 512k machines. Same case, same lack of a fan. Things didn't change until the SE was introduced. Also, Jobs left Apple in September 85, the Plus was released in January 86. Jobs would have still been with Apple at the time the Plus was being developed unless you think Apple could have pulled off designing, testing, marketing and everything else that needs to be done in preparation for a launch of a new product in under 4 months.

 
If you see how many Plus anyway were used: in a setup together wiht an external HD containing a noise producing fan, many wouldn´t have mind another fan in the case since the myth of the fanless system was broken anyway.

 
No, sorry. The Plus is clearly modeled after the original 128k and 512k machines. Same case, same lack of a fan. Things didn't change until the SE was introduced. Also, Jobs left Apple in September 85, the Plus was released in January 86. Jobs would have still been with Apple at the time the Plus was being developed unless you think Apple could have pulled off designing, testing, marketing and everything else that needs to be done in preparation for a launch of a new product in under 4 months.
OK, now I'm missing your point. Jobs was out in March '85 when Sculley foiled his failed coup and subsequently stripped him of all duties. The fact Jobs didn't submit his official resignation until September was a technicality, he was already mentally and emotionally out of there, if not physically in an empty office building on the outskirts of the Apple campus. Of course the Plus case and analogue board is the exact same design as the 128 & 512 and the 512K was released in just about the same window from the 128K as the Plus from Jobs being stripped of duties. Either way, adding a fan to that case is a no brainer and as Aoresteen points out, internal upgrades were readily available by third party suppliers with no modifications required. As I pointed out, the analogue board was modified in 86 after the Plus was already released. Sticking a fan in the case at that time even would have been no more difficult for Apple than third party vendors. In fact it would have been easier. Also, Sculley asked Frogdesign to update the Mac Plus case just before the release – this was done completely without Jobs participation and eliminated features that Manock had designed and Jobs had previously approved. So in Jobs' absence, engineering a simple fan for the Plus release would have not been a problem either. So there must have been other factors.

My point is simply that putting a fan in the Plus at anytime, even a small one, would have solved many of Apple's headaches and in Jobs' absence would have been painless to do, especially when they were updating the analogue board to support the additional load anyway. The case did not need any special re-engineering or design modifications to include one. Once the SE was announced, Apple could have used the change to Platinum to add the fan to all of their models across the board, again with no major changes to the existing Plus configuration.

 
Interesting read the fan thingy and great reasoning Mac128k.

Maybe they wanted to please those folks who thought like Jobs and didn´t want noise at least on one system of the line.

Maybe they simply "forgot" to update it.

maybe with other choices available in their line later, the reasoned that people would like to upgrade to newer models in case of major failure anyway.

I agree, doesn´t sound great my thoughts, but sometimes there might not be a significant reason behind things.

 
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